Do you support the second amendment?

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Theo520:
buy-backs have proven to be a consistent waste of public money.
all the state has to do is resell the guns and get some of the money back. depending on what is turned in they may turn a profit
I’m sure they could get Eric Holder to find them a buyer. 😉
 
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LeafByNiggle:
If I am moving the bar, I am moving it in your favor. Why complain?
because the gun control organizations are on record stating that they will take away just a little at a time until their goal is achieved. pushing the ball uphill to break it loose helps it roll downhill faster and longer, once moved it can easy go the other way.

it is also von’s argument, some guns are already restricted what’s one more.

first it was the auto,then the semi for a while, next the bolt action will be targeted then no need for a gun at all.

not one inch
So, your objections are not to anything I have written, but to what some others have written and said and to some imaginings of further secret plans people have. Well, take that up with them. Not with me.
 
no what you have written is following the same guidelines. training, then retraining, now certification. you add a little bit each time.
 
no what you have written is following the same guidelines. training, then retraining, now certification. you add a little bit each time.
I said certification in lieu of recurrent training. Whatever has the least impact on gun owners and still ensures knowledge of safety issues is fine with me. So if you follow the arc of my suggestions, I subtract a little bit each time. But I’ll overlook your misunderstanding me if you just respond to my current stated position and answer this question: “Is there any mandatory system of ensuring knowledge of gun safety among all gun owners that you would be willing to go along with?” Or is “don’t give an inch” your constant motto? (Incidentally that is not a motto I would be proud of.)
 
I already suggested a mandatory gun safety course in high school. That way we have no backdoor methods of registration.
 
I already suggested a mandatory gun safety course in high school. That way we have no backdoor methods of registration.
You see, that doesn’t do it. Because many people are already out of high school, so they would be skipped. Some people never finish high school, so they would be skipped. Some people come to this country as adults. They would be skipped. You have not suggested anything that would apply to current gun owners.

I am even willing to let the NRA run the classes and the certification testing.

By the way, having safety certification does not register guns. You can take safety certification without even owning a gun. The certification can be as simple as 30 multiple-choice questions done with pencil and paper. No gun needed.
 
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By the way, having safety certification does not register guns. You can take safety certification without even owning a gun. The certification can be as simple as 30 multiple-choice questions done with pencil and paper. No gun needed.
🤣

Are you saying that someone should take a gun safety course and not own a gun just to prove a vapid gun-control POV?
 
You see, that doesn’t do it.
it doesn’t do it for you but does for me. once & done. we have a training requirement in most states as part of the ccw process. you don’t need more.
Some people never finish high school,
i would assume most finish the ninth grade but did not look up stats on it or make it a 7th or 8th grade requirement.
having safety certification does not register guns.
yes it indirectly does, no not everyone having a certificate will have a gun but per your plan everyone having a gun will have a permit. they can still go door to door and confiscate guns based on the certification lists.

grandfather all your out of school folk in (time will eliminate them) and have a education requirement including a gun course for all immigrants.
 
Are you saying that someone should take a gun safety course and not own a gun just to prove a vapid gun-control POV?
i think all school kids should be taught gun safety in case they find one on the street or at a friends house. the eddie eagle is supposedly a great program. hollyweird romanticizes the gun so much children do not think of the damage they can do by playing with it.

i don’t understand why the left objects to this gun safety program.
 
Or is “don’t give an inch” your constant motto? (Incidentally that is not a motto I would be proud of.)
nothing to do with pride just the reality of the gun grabbers goal on the left. why won’t they allow eddie eagle in schools if they want gun safety?

it isn’t about gun safety.

it is about control of the poor.
if you follow the arc of my suggestions, I subtract a little bit each time.
you didn’t change your arc you added extra steps

cert requires retraining which requires initial training. your last requirements include all three.

typical gun control move
 
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LeafByNiggle:
By the way, having safety certification does not register guns. You can take safety certification without even owning a gun. The certification can be as simple as 30 multiple-choice questions done with pencil and paper. No gun needed.
🤣

Are you saying that someone should take a gun safety course and not own a gun just to prove a vapid gun-control POV?
No, I’m only saying what I said.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
You see, that doesn’t do it.
it doesn’t do it for you but does for me. once & done.
Another instance of “don’t give an inch,” I see.
we have a training requirement in most states as part of the ccw process. you don’t need more.
What about the large number of people that buy guns but do not intend to use them in a CC manner?
Some people never finish high school,
i would assume most finish the ninth grade but did not look up stats on it or make it a 7th or 8th grade requirement.
The point of certification is not to see that most pilots know how to fly safely, or that most doctors have passed their medical boards, or that most bus drivers and free of drugs.
having safety certification does not register guns.
yes it indirectly does, no not everyone having a certificate will have a gun but per your plan everyone having a gun will have a permit. they can still go door to door and confiscate guns based on the certification lists.
That is impractical, since so many people would be on that list. You could go door to door (at very great expense) and ask if they have a gun, and they can say “No, I only took the certification test because I was thinking of getting a gun, but I didn’t follow through. Sorry. Have a nice day, scary government guy!” Having a list of people who passed the test does not appreciably shorten the time to find people’s guns. (Not that I for a moment think the prospect is in any way likely!)
grandfather all your out of school folk in (time will eliminate them) and have a education requirement including a gun course for all immigrants.
Does that gun course include a passing requirement, such as a test? Or is it just a warm body occupying a seat for a few hours?
 
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Another instance of “don’t give an inch,” I see.
no i offered options: grandfathering, immigrant educational requirements and school training. you just don’t agree with them. who knows what schools will require for testing?
By the way, having safety certification does not register guns.
you stated the cert doesn’t register guns. true, yet it can be used as a registry. everyone owning a gun would be on it.

practical or impractical they can still go door to door and confiscate guns based on the certification lists. i don’t see it happening any time soon either but that doesn’t mean anything

the feds go door to door every ten years what expense would there be to voluntarily collect the guns during a census (maybe an expense for storage of picked up guns) and then just go after the ones not turning the guns in.
 
Before it was “certification”.

Now it has already morphed into . . .
I said certification in lieu of recurrent training.
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This is exactly part of what I warned of.
 
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