Do you support the second amendment?

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Rosee, automatic weapons are already banned. To legally own one at all required a year or so long application process that includes fingerprinting, FBI background investigation and getting the permission of your local Chief of Police.

Very, very, very few gun owners have those.
 
AlNg said:
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Thom18:
A dozen new laws won’t help.
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I disagree. It is going to depend on the law and the punishment for breaking the law. Having stricter gun control laws will make guns more difficult to obtain. the guns used in the Connecticut massacre and in the Las Vegas massacre were all obtained legally, were they not?
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The level of skill needed is about what your average person would learn in a high school shop class

The end result is a firearm that has no serial number, no record, and does not legally exist.


If handguns are more to the persons liking, they are made ( again illegally and untraceably) in simple huts using cardboard templates.


None of this is exactly rocket science, this is 100+ year old technology after all. And is substantially easier than doing something like cooking meth, both from a skill set perspective and obtaining the raw materials.
 
“Voluntary”, what would have happened had they not turned their guns in?
 
With all due respect, the US is significantly different from Australia in terms of population size and demographics, even setting aside what people here expect from their government vs people there. I doubt the approach taken in Australia would work in USA. I even have my doubts it will continue to work in all parts of Australia over the long term.
 
Gun violence isn’t what a lot of foreigners think it is in the USA today or historically. The Wild West wasn’t so wild.

Today, if you avoid gangs, drugs, drama and getting involved with domestic abuse, your chances of getting shot go down dramatically.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
With all due respect, the US is significantly different from Australia in terms of population size and demographics
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All of Austrailia has far fewer inhabitants than the State of California. Probably fewer than Los Angeles County – if all the illegals could be counted.
 
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I’ll admit, this is a part of your culture I simply don’t understand. I’ve heard all the arguments, and I still thank God I am not American and that it doesn’t concern me as an internal matter. My opinion is that if you are comfortable with semi automatic weaponry being so freely available, you kind of have to live with the consequences of that. Makes no sense to me.
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Envy is a toughie… One of the most difficult capital sins.
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Yes, so it is. In what way am I envying, or was this just a general statement?
 
You are talking about outlaw MC clubs. They are a criminal organisation. Like the mafia. Not a gang

Outlaw MC clubs are being dealt with in interesting ways atm, by the government.
 
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Politicians say whatever they think they need to get their opinions through. Backing it up with stats and facts cabpn be sadly lacking,
 
I read today, the shooter bought a modifier kit and modified his semi auto. Is that what you news is saying too?
 
They would have kept them hidden. Probably got a knock at the door if the weapons were registered.

Shock horror, martial arts weapons are meant to be registered too…but are they

There is a gun amnesty going on ATM. Since an incident in where a lone wolf bought a gun from a Catholic, then used it to be a wannabe ISIS.

Some amazingly antique weapons are being handed in. Labour Party wants to extend the amnesty.
 
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I think you have a good point. There is a huge cultural divide in our respective attitude to weapons. One would think because we started out as a penal colony, we would be much more towards the American perspective in weapons,.

I think we have much more disregard for authority here, then you guys. It’s inculturation stemming from pre federation and onwards.

We both started as refugees from old mother England, but grew differently. Our civil war was much more short lived.
 
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The minutemen defeated the greatest military for of their time.
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All the best defeating the US army in the 21st century under the direction of Commander in Chief DJT.
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One would expect troops to not turn their guns inward to defend an unconstitutional rogue government, but if progressives are so sure that Trump is a fascist, then they should defend the second amendment’s protection of the inherent human and civil right to own firearms
 
Yep, with something called a ‘bump stock’ . Those were originally designed to help disabled people shoot, but increase the ability for a regular shooter to pull the trigger more rapidly. Since there is no machinery and the shooter still pulls the trigger once for each shot, it is still a semi-auto

But even then, you can also 3D print a gear set that when attached to an small electric motor pulls the trigger for you. That would be illegal, be so easily done

Welcome to the wonderful world of computer assisted manufacturing…where anybody can make anything at home
 
A few thoughts:

Jimmy Kimmel hires armed bodyguards. They have guns.

On September 11, 2001, unarmed airline pilots were overpowered in their airplanes and killed. The FAA did not permit airline pilots to be armed. The killers used box cutters with very short blades.

If you visit Google and dial up You Tube John R. Lott, he describes how as the number of guns in the USA has increased, gun violence has DECREASED.

Meanwhile, Chicago which bans guns has become the murder capital of the world.
 
What would happen though if I said to the nice government official, “You are not taking my guns. Now go away please.”
 
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This is why gun crime is out of control. 2nd amendment!
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This is like saying the right to life is the cause of so many abortions.
Gun crime, by definition, is a violation of the law, not protected by the Second Amendment.
  1. is the right to free speech the cause of slander?
  2. is the right to free press the cause of libel?
  3. is due process and presumption of innocence the cause of crime?
To blame rights for the ad behavior of some makes no sense
 
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Vonsalza:
nearly every pistol being made today is semi auto. Revolvers and singles stopped being popular in the Reagan admin.
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you been to a gun store lately? many woman are buying revolvers
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I used to be a bit of a gun-nut actually. So yeah. I’ve been in a gun store.

Most women buy revolvers because there is some silly notion that women ought to be stuck with .38 revolvers because the kick isn’t huge and a revolver is “simple enough for my wife”.

If you let them shoot a 9mm Glock, that’ll be the one they buy.

Gun shops move more $300-$400 plastic semi-autos than anything else unless it’s some specialty shop.
 
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