Do you support the second amendment?

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so why are drugs out of control? legal and illegal.

the issue is the subjective morality of the day. when people get to choose what is right and wrong they often make mistakes.

the gun is just a tool. one available at any corner where they sell drugs for purchase without question to reason for it.
 
The bad guys tried to take guns from the good guys at the towns of Lexington and Concord. The good guys shot them and started the American Revolution.

I believe that it is my duty and right as an American to resist similar modern attempts at disarmament if necessary.
 
Is this the same revolution of Gone with the Wind ? That’s how we learn USA history, at the movies 👌

Btw , did you know Australians, conscripted by the English, and based with Canadian troops, burnt part of your White House.

Not sure which war that was .
 
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Gone with the Wind was based in the Civil War era, almost 100 years later. That war was fought over slavery, secession and intersectional tensions between various regions of the same country.

The American Revolution was started due to mistreatment of the Americans by the British Parliament and King George III.

The burning of the White House happened during the War of 1812. Which the Americans fought to ensure that the British would not continue to treat them like a second rate nation even after winning the revolution.

As a nationalist, the history of my country is something that I am very enthusiastic about.
 
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starshiptrooper said:
I believe that it is my duty and right as an American to resist similar modern attempts at disarmament if necessary.
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Serious question here, do you guys really believe the Government or military will turn on its people?

If so, what is the real cause of such distrust in people you elect?

Can Trump really turn on the people

We had Eureka Stockade here. It’s a rebellion that led to democracy here and of course about the Gold licenses and other oppressive issues .

The Catholic Priests were pretty involved in the Stockade and the huge rallies and meetings leading up to it
 
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I hope and pray not. I know my history and know that my country was founded because of a government that did turn on its people.

I think the distrust has grown because of a perceived disconnect between the politicians and the people. Combine that with increasing polarization between a vision for 2 very different Americas and that is why Americans have lost their faith in their leaders.

I voted for Trump because I believed that he would respect my gun rights, not take them away. There were other reasons, but I genuinely believed and still do that Trump wants to make America great again.
 
This makes a lot of sense in understanding it all. Thanks for answering those questions.
 
it won’t be everybody doing it just a few selling them on the street corners with the drugs.

when there is a product to sell someone will make it.
 
Vonsalza said:
Criminals are typically poor and poor people eventually need the money.
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gun control is really just control of the poor. anyone with money will have what they want.

criminals will not give up a tool of the trade for the few dollars they offer. they will steal items and sell the excess but they can sell guns on the black market for more than the government usually offers.
 
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there’s some truth there. But what’s also true is that when you make crime harder to perpetrate, crime goes down. We have oceans of data in support of this.
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this is a joke. we are going the other way. reducing penalties and even eliminating bail. the gun charge is usually the first dropped for an easy plea deal. the revolving door of justice isn’t a myth.
 
Vonsalza said:
One suggestion I have, which often shot down by both sides is allowing

local (not state) referendums to beta test gun controls/laws on a local

level. But both sides reject it right away.

Sounds reasonable to me.
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they should reject this. you go from being a freeman to a criminal when you cross city lines. who could track all the rules for each locality
 
Roseeurekacross said:
Serious question here, do you guys really believe the Government or military will turn on its people?
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I think that’s a good question, and probably the primary reason that I am looking at this differently from some of the other posters. To me, the idea of the government knocking on doors to forcibly take away people’s guns, to which some here (apparently) would ostensibly respond with force to avoid such confiscation—to me this idea is very far-fetched.

Certainly, I can see instances of the government increasingly eroding our rights, such as with regards to religious liberty. But enacting such military-state tactics against our own citizens? That strikes me as the plot to a movie or TV show, not something that could ever actually happen.

Never say never, I suppose. History is full of armed conflicts, human rights violations, and overreach by those in power. It just doesn’t seem like something we could reasonably expect to happen in the United States, at least not in my lifetime. Certainly, I hope I am right in this regard. (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
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If so, what is the real cause of such distrust in people you elect?
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Honestly, I think a lot of this goes back to the revolutions of the 60s and the “don’t trust anyone over 30” mentality, which was reinforced by Watergate and President Nixon’s resignation. I didn’t live through it, but it seems to me distrust of authority has become the way of things ever since. And, of course, our politicians certainly give us enough fodder to reinforce that distrust.
 
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Vonsalza:
Criminals are typically poor and poor people eventually need the money.
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gun control is really just control of the poor. anyone with money will have what they want.

criminals will not give up a tool of the trade for the few dollars they offer. they will steal items and sell the excess but they can sell guns on the black market for more than the government usually offers.
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Are you still trying to tell an Australian about “what it’s REALLY like” in Australia?

I have a little bit of difficulty taking you seriously… 🤨
 
A few months ago, there was an armed confrontation in the Pacific Northwest.
 
phil19034 said:
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.
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🤣 I was wondering when that was going to pop up again!

How about this one: Drug trafficking doesn’t kill people. Drug lords and their gangs kill people. Does this mean we should legalize drug trafficking while keeping murder over drugs illegal?
 
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Brendan:
Here is a video on how to machine your own AR-15 from a block of aluminum. Not only are the block of aluminum for sale ( they are just blocks of metal) , so are jigs that make this an easy process that can be done with tools purchased at a local hardware store ( drill press, router and drill bits)
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Yeah… Machining is not “an easy process”. A proper TIGHT lathe and press will set you back two grand for a crappy one and the jigs and bits for working them ARE NOT available at “your local hardware store” unless you live in an area chock-full of machinists.

If you don’t really know what you’re doing, you’re going to end up with a block of aluminum that will be deadly… if you can throw that hard.

The common person isn’t going to go through all the training and capital investment. Someone contemplating a violent act won’t either unless they’ve been thinking about it for a really, really long time. Which eliminates most folks who perpetuate gun-crime.
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Note that it is the TOOLS that can be purchased at your local hardware store, not the jigs.

I also noted prior “The level of skill needed is about what your average person would learn in a high school shop class” , that is true, and the skill set is pretty common. Maybe I am a bit biased, since I live in Detroit. There are engineers, machinists and skilled mechanics on every block, and plenty of shops that carry the higher end tools, including used, which saves on cost.

I am not saying that this is the route everyone who wanted a untraceable firearm would go through, but I can see an underground industry coming up, similar to meth labs. If AR’s are made illegal, purchasing them will still be no more difficult that getting meth or crack cocaine.

Here is a video of an untrained reporter making one. He did screw up with the drill press, but that was an error anyone with a base familiarity with a press would have avoided.


Also, where was a lathe mentioned, I only saw a router being used. Very simple to use, especially if you have a depth gauge and a jig, both of which are available and are shown in the video.
 
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To add to yoir response “Assault Wepon” is a media made up term .
 
Guns are inanimate objects. Trafficking is an action taken by humans, like killing. A better anaology would be that drugs don’t kill people, people kill people.

Yes, we should decriminalize some aspects because prisons are full of people who are one-time teen offenders and some of these folks have families they should be raising.
 
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