Do you support the second amendment?

[Jamie5]

Very informative:

 

[jcrichton]

I think you’re right. The crazed person is unstoppable. But we can reduce the frequency of gun crime by making these things harder to get. And we can vacuum many of them off the street with a cash, no questions buyback program. Over time, the murder rates WILL drop; particularly due to buybacks.

Hi, Vonsalza!

…but isn’t that like holding back the leak in the dam’s wall with a finger?

The problem remains in the manufacturing and distribution of weapons. It’s the tobacco thing (monkey see, hear, speak no evil); until manufacturers, distributers, and vendors are held responsible no amount of Kum ba yah, maid-policing, neighborhood buy-backs, and hollowood’s “hope/believe/change” happenstance will do much more than place a bandage on the hemorrhaging wound.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hi, Jamie!

As long as manufacturers, distributers and vendors are protected from being responsible for the manufacturing and distribution of guns… it will be so.

I’m not a pet owner… yet, it seems idiotic to me that there are trained armed branches of the police policing animal abuse; people are fined and even incarcerated for animal abuse (which is correct–and in my estimation should run high on both fines and incarceration period); yet, the guns industry is seen as less lethal than the neighborhood’s food vendor.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

We just pushed all our racial undesirables over cliffs and smashed their babies heads against rocks.

So many massacres.

Is this sarcasm or reality?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

51 thousand guns have been surrendered in 3 months.

The guns aren’t legally owned because they are illegal. Just like drugs are illegal.

Outside the current amnesty period, anyone caught with an unregistered firearm faces a fine of up to $280,000, up to 14 years in jail, and a criminal record.”

And it’s not forced. If 51 thousand have been handed in, imagine what’s still out there.

But if it is not enforced, how would that make the fines and prison term a deterrent, would using a weapon to commit a crime/massacre would automatically kick in the mandate ($280,000 + up to 14 years/pr)?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hi, Rose!

…well over here is the same… they are flown over airports, around air plains…

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hi!

Does anyone train their kids to learn to drive so that their vehicle can be used to kill pedestrian and other drivers?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

The sad reality is that in a few days this will all die down again; people will go out and buy more guns and even more ammo and go to gun ranges to teach their 3 year olds how to shoot machines guns… ‘cause it’s the constitutional right!’

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[upant]

‘cause it’s the constitutional right!’

cause it may save their life.

why do kids kill themselves or others when they find guns?

it’s because we glorify them on tv and in games but don’t teach safety.

every kid should learn gun safety in grade school.

 

[JonNC]

As long as manufacturers, distributers and vendors are protected from being responsible for the manufacturing and distribution of guns… it will be so.

They should be held accountable for the proper manufacturing and the following of current law in the sale. But I suspect that’s not what is meant by this. . I suspect the intention is for them to be held liable for their misuse by those who buy or steal them. And if that is what is meant, that is a standard that is ridiculous. No manufacturer can or should be held to that standard.

 

[Duesenberg]

The problem remains in the manufacturing and distribution of weapons. It’s the tobacco thing (monkey see, hear, speak no evil); until manufacturers, distributers, and vendors are held responsible no amount of Kum ba yah, maid-policing, neighborhood buy-backs, and hollowood’s “hope/believe/change” happenstance will do much more than place a bandage on the hemorrhaging wound.

Responsible for what? Complying with a myriad of local, state and federal gun laws which they already do?

 

[Duesenberg]

They should be held accountable for the proper manufacturing

What is this “proper manufacturing” you speak of? What makes you think they’re not already held accountable?

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

They should be held accountable for the proper manufacturing

What is this “proper manufacturing” you speak of? What makes you think they’re not already held accountable?

Like any other consumer product, free from defects in manufacturing

 

[JonNC]

Hi!

Does anyone train their kids to learn to drive so that their vehicle can be used to kill pedestrian and other drivers?

Maran atha!

Angel

And no Americans that I’m aware of train their children to shoot other people. That is more the practice in places such as Palestine.

The sad reality is that in a few days this will all die down again; people will go out and buy more guns and even more ammo and go to gun ranges to teach their 3 year olds how to shoot machines guns… ‘cause it’s the constitutional right!’

Actually, it isn’t a constitutional right. It is an inherent human and civil right that is protected by the constitution.
That said, I know of no three year olds being taught to shoot machine guns. Do you have a source for this?
If so, it is good they are doing it at a range. At a range, they will learn to fire a weapon safely, injuring no one. They will learn to treat a firearm as if it is always loaded, and never aim it at others. Just like a mother teaches her children the safe handling of a knife in the kitchen

 

[Duesenberg]

Like any other consumer product, free from defects in manufacturing

They already are.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

Like any other consumer product, free from defects in manufacturing

They already are.

Yep, and like I said, I don’t think that’s what they mean. They want firearms manufacturers to be responsible for the misuse of arms after they are sold or stolen.
They can’t get the second amendment repealed or even redefined, so the intent is to destroy the manufacturing of arms and ammons instead. Or, make arms too expensive for anyone but the very wealthy through taxes.
And you can rest assured that this is part of the reason for the push for single payer healthcare. "Firearms are a threat to health. Therefore,if you want healthcare you must remove guns from your home. ".

 

[Duesenberg]

Yep, and like I said, I don’t think that’s what they mean. They want firearms manufacturers to be responsible for the misuse of arms after they are sold or stolen.

Gotcha. There was actually a federal law passed that stopped the suing of gunmakers for things people did with their product after purchasing them, so long as the firearms were safe and legally sold.

This law came about after the gun-banners came up with a plan to simply sue all the gunmakers out of business.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

Yep, and like I said, I don’t think that’s what they mean. They want firearms manufacturers to be responsible for the misuse of arms after they are sold or stolen.

Gotcha. There was actually a federal law passed that stopped the suing of gunmakers for things people did with their product after purchasing them, so long as the firearms were safe and legally sold.

This law came about after the gun-banners came up with a plan to simply sue all the gunmakers out of business.

Yes. That was one of the things Secretary Clinton targeted for repeal during the campaign.

 

[jcrichton]

Hi!

We are truly at different ends of this issue… your comparison is quite simplistic (akin to, ‘guns don’t kill people’); how many children whose parents/guardians had no access to guns (did not purchase, borrowed, stole, kept for someone else…) killed themselves or killed others, accidentally, in the past 100 years?

This is the same argument about contraception, sex education, and free needles–thank God for these enlightened people who brought these important educational tools into our society… we are free of stds, unwanted pregnancy, abortions, and communicable diseases… ‘free at last; free at last.’

Rather than train people how to kill, how about training people about the value of life and respect for life and the rights of others?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hi, Jon!

You are correct.

How many guns would it take for you to feel safe, 10, 100?

How many guns should you be allowed to buy so that you could go shooting up nature?

How many guns should be upgrade to multiple rounds firing?

How many machine guns does it take to kill a deer?

How many machine guns does it take to keep safe from a wondering lion, tiger or bear?

When a manufacturer’s, distributor’s or vendor’s whole concern is making more money, do you really think that they are concerned with proper registration and distribution of weapons?

Actually, what we have experienced is that the more the culture idolizes guns and destruction the more the manufacturers and their satellites (ok, yes, I was thinking minions) seek ways to put more destructive capabilities into the weapons that they know will end up in the hands of idiots and loonies.

How many other groups in the US has the backing of the government that they cannot be held responsible for destruction related to their goods?

Ever herd of the old lady and Mccoffee? How stupid is that? An idiot burns herself with coffee and the dispensing organization has to cover her accidental spillage because she was too distracted or incompetent to walk and talk with a cup of coffee in her hands.

A multi billion dollar industry that facilitates death cannot be held responsible when their weapons are easily put in the hands of murderers and criminals who avail themselves of the most destructive weapons and/or the mechanism to make them even more destructive because it is not ‘fair?’

This is an upside-down rationale–a person suing the state because he/she was hit by lightning while walking in the rain in a state park lunacy!

Maran atha!

Angel