Do you support the second amendment?

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Or the electric company for electrical fires.
How about cattle ranchers for choking.
Or the Arbor Day Foundation if a tree falls on a house? :roll_eyes:
 
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We against gun control aren’t being insensitive to all the innocent that have died or been injured. All we’re saying is solution of gun control will fail, because the statistics from our own federal government say so.
Doesn’t matter if it’s 2010 data either, the stats will be similar and the fact that their is a huge gap between handguns and rifles is no small detail. Look at the Hands and Fists, how ya gonna ban that?
With regards to Unknown Guns, how will you ban that, if you didn’t even know what the heck it was after the murder?

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jcrichton said:
Gun control does not limit the ability of the law-abiding to purchase a gun.
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You are wrong.

There are plenty of guns that I would like to own, but I cannot here in California, yet I could in at least 40-45 of the other 49.
 
Catholicos said:
We against gun control aren’t being insensitive to all the innocent that have died or been injured. All we’re saying is solution of gun control will fail, because the statistics from our own federal government say so.

Doesn’t matter if it’s 2010 data either, the stats will be similar and the fact that their is a huge gap between handguns and rifles is no small detail. Look at the Hands and Fists, how ya gonna ban that?

With regards to Unknown Guns, how will you ban that, if you didn’t even know what the heck it was after the murder?

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Just look at your graph…

Oddly enough, when Handgun Control, Inc. (now “the Brady Campaign”) tried to get handguns banned years ago, they were told “no” in no uncertain terms, hence their name change.
 
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Trying to make murder physically impossible may be admirable, but is very poorly thought out. The on-going kneejerk reaction is evidence only of the “do something” disease.

Say we change the constitution and ban guns. Door to door searches to collect them. Jail for any possession.

Watch out for your first amendment, and the others.
 
If the #2A goes, so does the #1A and maybe the entire Constitution.
 
Trying to get automatic weapons in the USA is a real hassle. The level of paperwork is enormous and you need a Class 3 license.
 
po18guy said:
Trying to make murder physically impossible may be admirable, but is very poorly thought out. The on-going kneejerk reaction is evidence only of the “do something” disease.

Say we change the constitution and ban guns. Door to door searches to collect them. Jail for any possession.

Watch out for your first amendment, and the others.
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You don’t need a change in the constitution to see the lengths some will go to. Last year some prion congress did s sit-in to protest that fact that the Republicans would not act on measures to prevent American citizens on the No Fly list from buying firearms.
They want to suspend due process! They were quite clear about it.
The measure would also have suspended presumption of innocence
 
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It is rather ironic that Republicans were big proponents of the no-fly list, despite its lack of due process, which cause me to believe this has nothing to do with due process, but rather an inflexible unwillingness to do anything that might not be sanctioned by the NRA lobby.
 
pnewton said:
It is rather ironic that Republicans were big proponents of the no-fly list, despite its lack of due process, which cause me to believe this has nothing to do with due process, but rather an inflexible unwillingness to do anything that might not be sanctioned by the NRA lobby.
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There is no protected right to fly on an airplane. There is a protection to exercise one’s constitutionally protected rights, including due process. There is nothing wrong with the no fly list, but using it to deny Americans their enumerated rights without due process is tyranny.
I strongly support the No Fly list. I also strongly support due process. So, yes, it is about all constitutionally protected rights, including the arms.
Unless you want to same some other enumerated rights you’re willing to give up without due process…
 
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po18guy said:
Trying to make murder physically impossible may be admirable, but is very poorly thought out. The on-going kneejerk reaction is evidence only of the “do something” disease.
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I think this is a very poor understanding of the opposition argument.

As an avid gun-owner that’s totally all-for increased gun-control measures, I’m not trying to make murder “physically impossible”. I’m just trying to make it a little harder to perform on a whim.

The homicide rate in the US was roughly 5 per 100k residents a few years ago. For the Brits and Aussies it was closer to 1.

Again, I don’t know anyone in the pro-gun-control camp that is promoting a solution as complete and utopian. As such, it would be nice if critics of those proposed solutions stopped acting as though they were being touted as such. Frankly, it’s a bit dishonest, even if unintentional.
 
They also have a whiter population than the US and as table 43 of the UCR shows, blacks commit roughly half the murder in this country while making up less than 15% of the population.
 
Gun murder … The United States is 3rd in gun murders throughout the world.

But if you take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the

bottom for gun murders. These 4 cities also have the toughest gun control laws in the United States.

This tell you anything?

PS: These cities are also run by DEMOCRATS! Imagine that.
 
starshiptrooper said:
They also have a whiter population than the US and as table 43 of the UCR shows, blacks commit roughly half the murder in this country while making up less than 15% of the population.
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Then we need to find a way to limit the access of particularly ruthless blacks to firearms.

…and we need to do it in a way that does not racially discriminate.

Sounds like a good case for broad-spectrum control laws to me. 😄
 
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Gun murder … The United States is 3rd in gun murders throughout the world.

But if you take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the

bottom for gun murders. These 4 cities also have the toughest gun control laws in the United States.

This tell you anything?

PS: These cities are also run by DEMOCRATS! Imagine that.
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Seems to be a few cities there with dominantly Republican administrations as well…

I think the reason you see democratic administrations in cities is because the Republican ethos of “minimal government” only works super-well in rural environments. It breaks down when exposed to urban centers that requires more rules to govern closer and more frequent human interactions.
 
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Not happening, I like having the ability to defend myself from thugs.

Typical though solution though, dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator. The correct answer is stop and frisk.

I have never infringed on another person’s life or property. Explain to me why I should be disarmed.
 
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