Do you support the second amendment?

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godisgood77 said:
We’ll have to agree to disagree. Wanting common sense gun laws do not make one against the 2nd amendment.

I,like many, support the 2nd amendment ad the fathers intended it and I support common sense laws that governs the way people acquire guns - We do not have that today

Here’s a good example of the so called ‘common-sense’ gun laws in action Redirecting...
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the cop states the problem. the current laws aren’t being enforced and the gun charges are dropped. why don’t they stop dropping the gun charges? it has nothing to do with concealed carry and everything to do with the revolving door of justice.

disarm the law abiding person because the prosecutor wants an easy conviction. how is this common sense?

this guy should be after the prosecutors to enforce the law and push maximum sentences for every gun charge. this is common sense.
 
I don’t think we watched the same video…

Regardless, no one is suggesting disarming anyone. That’s a gross misrepresentation
 
godisgood77 said:
I don’t think we watched the same video…

Regardless, no one is suggesting disarming anyone. That’s a gross misrepresentation
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he doesn’t like the concealed carry law; therefore, he is either advocating open carry or no carry. he is against criminals being allowed to conceal carry but the law reflects back to state law on who can carry and the same rules probably apply for open carry. the criminals would be allowed to open carry. he is probably against that also (who isn’t). there is only one option left: disarm everyone.
 
No, you don’t actually support the second amendment, there are guns laws, we have them in place. Your “common sense gun laws” are nothing more but ploys to have rights taken away.
 
pnewton said:
I doubt many blacks would think that our subjective morality of today is worse than the any morality that dehumanized an entire population.
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If throwing babies out with their bathwater is your thing, then I guess having no morality is better than fine tuning a faulty one.

The problem with advocating subjective morality is that it hasn’t completely “shaken itself out,” so to speak. Let subjective morality be the status quo for a couple of hundred years and then we can make informed comments about how preferable it will be.

In any case, “all men being equal” as an inalienable premise would seem as good a starting point for a workable social contract as any other. At least better than the subjective free for all of “do whatever turns your crank.” I suspect there will be great problems trying to reel that sucker back in when all is said and done.

Careful what you wish for.
 
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I cant read the reply for the smog…

but lets say that confusing what was then known to what is known now is feeble and hardheadedness.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
So the colonist had better weapons than the English military?

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Angel
 
Can you expand on that?

Is that on the gender fluidity thing (I was born “x/y” but I believe I’m “y/x”) and does that extends to animals (not “it” anymore)?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
pnewton said:
So, do immigrants without documentation count? Do we exclude those of Native American ancestry? Do we include the unborn? Corporations? There is some garbage in the Constitution. It was a product of its time and limited by the moral understanding of that time.
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You’ve almost hit it!

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Angel
 
Sorry, I don’t read much; point to it with an excerpt. Thank you.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
JonNC said:
New York did much better under Guliani than under extremists like the mayor there now.

The problem is progressives view rules in terms of controlling people’s lives.
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That’s actually not all that true. The crime (including murder) rate started to drop in New York in 1990, three years before Giuliani took office. It continued to drop through his two terms in office, and continued to drop during the terms of our next two mayors, Mike Bloomberg and Bill DiBlasio. In fact, this year, with Bill DiBlasio as mayor, the murder rate is expect to hit a historic low, coming in at under 300 murders, a fraction of the number of murders in 1990, which was something like 2,600. And a fraction, albeit a larger fraction, of the number of murders in even Giuliani’s best year.

Rudy was a terrible mayor. DiBlasio isn’t great, but he’s better than Rudy.

Also, as mayor, Giuliani wasn’t exactly an ally of the NRA and gun-rights advocates. He was a strong advocate for gun control, supported the assault weapons ban, criticized those states with less-restrictive gun laws that were the source of illegal guns for the NYC market, and, as mayor, had the City of New York sue gun manufacturers for selling guns into the illegal gun market in NYC.

Tangentially, he was also a strong supporter of the right to obtain an abortion, including publicly funded abortions.

Still think Rudy is your man?
 
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Cars are still being manufactured … just they are being made in other states … not in Detroit, Michigan.
 
“Well regulated” meant that State militias were to be well trained (i.e., they were to gather together and practice, drill, etc., on a regular basis) and that training was to be supervised by the States (i.e., the States were to appoint officers who were to oversee that training). (This was the clock-like aspect of “well regulated”.)
 
Certainly,

They had rifles, while the Regulars had smoothbore muskets. Much more accurate with better range.

The Pennsylvania Long Rifle was considered to be among the best firearms in the world at that time.
 
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JonNC said:
Just noting that Dred Scott, Plessey and Roe along with Jim Crow were all supported and championed by the Democratic Party
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LOL! I am glad you notice. History does repeat itself. Inherent in democracy, of all men being created equal, is the definition of “men”. Defining this term has always been a way of appearing democratic while marginalizing, women, people of color, immigrants, or those in the womb.
 
HarryStotle said:
If throwing babies out with their bathwater is your thing, then I guess having no morality is better than fine tuning a faulty one.
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I thing it good though that we not see the founding of this country with rosy glasses, or clouded one. I do not judge the people of the Eighteenth Century for their moral failings just because I recognize them.
 
The “Right to fly” is not specifically enumerated in the amendments. One may still charter a plane, fly one’s own plane, or ride on a plane of others. No-fly applies only to commercial flights.

To support ALL of the amendments to the constitution does not mean one supports murder or any other crime. The constitution limits governmental power over the citizen - something that is only now viewed as a positive.

Due to societal rot, every nation, sooner or later demands a state of servitude. We are very quickly moving in that direction.
 
I think you’re being pretty stubborn here and making vacuous arguments… and accusations.

Yes, we have some laws on the books… there are huge variances in those laws from town to town, city to city, county to county, state to state. There are huge loopholes and the laws are not consistently enforced. The NRA gun lobby exerts huge influence through money and shady back room politics.

There should be background checks without exception, there should be waiting periods, there should be governance around stockpiling weapons and ammunition. AND the problem of gun violence should be thoroughly studied … the NRA’s pressure campaign against even studying the problem should be ERASED, the money needs to get out of politics and legislation.

As you can see… no where in the my argument am I advocating for disarming anyone… to say so is silly, reactionary and inaccurate. There are no ‘ploys’ here… I think the motives of those advocating for more common sense in the laws and in consistent enforcement are genuine and focused on the common good… not nefarious as you seem to imply.
 
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