If guns are the issue, then the problem would exist in Indiana, too. That isn’t too baffling, I think.JonNC:
Why would Chicagoans committing crime in Chicago with firearms purchased in Indiana raise the crime rate in Indiana?Vonsalza:
The problem is Chicago, not Indiana. If the problem was Indiana, the crime rate would be higher there.
I’m not ignoring the problem. I’m ignoring a "solution " that doesn’t solve the problem.
Your rebuttal here is baffling.
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The 2nd Amendment is absolutely necessary. A well-armed populace is the only real check against tyrannical government. Paper shields (constitutions, laws) won’t stop tyrants. And any government can (and usually will) slip into tyranny if not checked. Power always seeks more power, it always attracts the worst people, and it always corrupts.
“Reasonable gun control” is just a gradual approach toward disarming the people.
“Reasonable gun control” is just a gradual approach toward disarming the people.
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Again, ad nauseam, the issue is guns and poor people.Vonsalza:
If guns are the issue, then the problem would exist in Indiana, too. That isn’t too baffling, I think.JonNC:
Why would Chicagoans committing crime in Chicago with firearms purchased in Indiana raise the crime rate in Indiana?Vonsalza:
The problem is Chicago, not Indiana. If the problem was Indiana, the crime rate would be higher there.
I’m not ignoring the problem. I’m ignoring a "solution " that doesn’t solve the problem.
Your rebuttal here is baffling.
When you have a high supply of both, you have high gun-crime.
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The advent of the modern tank pretty well stopped the ability to hold a civil insurrection from a purely militaristic point of view. Your .50 cal Barret at 5 bucks a shot still isn’t going to do much more than signal your position for return fire from an Abrams 105mm cannon.
And folks buying AR clones isn’t what keeps the civil populace “free” from “tyrannical government”. What does it is the self-correcting action of democratic elections. If the people don’t like the current boss, they can vote themselves a new one.
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Nah, a well-armed populace could wage a very effective guerrilla war against tanks, etc. Plus the longer the conflict went on, the more people from the military would switch sides. “Democratic elections” are a joke in the US and do not keep us free from tyranny. All candidates are vetted and funded by establishment controllers (though occasionally a Trump slips through). There is no real difference between a Bush and a Clinton.
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In the US they certainly could. Plus as I said, once the conflict began, many in the military would switch sides. If an armed American populace wasn’t really such a threat (as you are implying), then the government wouldn’t be so desperate to disarm them. Thanks be to God, they will not succeed.
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As you’re limited to semi-automatic rifles of a caliber no larger than .50 without some very serious paperwork, they have disarmed the people indeed. Conventional militaries have been capable of mopping up rebellious groups that are armed with nothing more than small-arms for generations now.
Since they have Abrams tanks, Apache attack copters and loads of other “goodies” that you don’t have access to, your vote is a far, FAR more effective “weapon” against tyranny than anything you can buy at your local gunshop.
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No, the vote is virtually meaningless. Establishment candidates are put forth in both parties, with the goal of consolidating power in the uni-party “deep state”. This is the road straight to tyranny. American peoples’ militias would hold out for a long time waging guerrilla warfare, and many in the military would defect. The US government would not survive a mass uprising by the armed people. Keep believing otherwise if you wish. Good day to you.
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This unity of cause and purpose on the armed citizenry all across America would simply never occur. You’d have the same broken factionalism we see everywhere else. The defenders of the “tyrannical state” would have the benefit of having the mission of “Divide and Conquer” already half-accomplished for them probably before the first shot was even fired.
The democratic process is messy and sloppy; this Republican regime’s laws are being laid on top of the last Democratic regime’s laws, which were laid on top of the Republican regime that preceded it and so on and so on… This creates the messy bureaucracy that we all love it hate. It is the absolute worst form of government - except for all the rest of them.
Don’t isolate yourself from it. Engage it. That’s your best shot; your ONLY shot when the other side has tanks.
Thanks for the chat.
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yes they probably can but it is usually illegal. note you still need a nics background check. i don’t see criminals doing this.
from the ATF website:
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would the united states wage a war the way syria did? would it gas its own people?Operations66:
*Looks at what’s left of Raqqa today
No, no they cannot.
it is different when the opposition does a land grab instead of a hit and run from within the government run zone.
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you don’t need that big of a number. some believe you need need 3% of the populace.
there are organizations already setup and i’m not talking the alt-right wing fringe. you have a collection of preppers united by shortwave and the internet. these are not your militant type but they are preparing for the financial collapse which they think will bring the nation down.
this is why many have thousand of rounds of ammo, when your dollar is no good a box of 9mm or any ammo will be gold.
are they right? i doubt it but they have a following. if it does happen many people will jump on board.
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No. Jesus was warning them of the impending (not perceived or imagined) danger that they would face as His Hour was arriving all of His Followers would be actively pursued, imprisoned, attacked and even put to death.
‘Master, here are two guns’–did Jesus then asked ‘is that the latest autofire, autorelease, autoloading, fully automatic, sixty rounds model, with the infrared, and heat scopes and smart bullets, if not, run and get an upgrade?’
Maran atha!
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It is not irrelevant; right in the twenty first century a tyrannical agency went to civil war and began to exterminate its citizens–of course it is not relevant to you and the dream team because it demolishes all the hype about the 2nd militia reasoning.
Maran atha!
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Maran atha!
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jcrichton
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Thank you; we are finally at an agreement: the Constitution, not the dreamy 2nd!
Maran atha!
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This thread has gone way beyond its purpose.
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jcrichton
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Wow, so Hitler and his Nazis were defeated by British militia?
Why haven’t they made a movie about that?
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Why haven’t they made a movie about that?
Maran atha!
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Law abiding citizens have at times, been victimized by law breakers and gun-grabbers alike.
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Vonsalsa. You stated in post 1135 . . .
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The following is from a Federal Government website . . .
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Please do not blame honest law-abiding people from Indiana for issues in Chicago, Illinois. Please do not blame (one of) the victims for political gain.
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Vonsalsa. You stated in post 1135 . . .
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...TAk0QFghuMAY&usg=AOvVaw1uDIuW-jmUpK0yiAWdiujC
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Please do not blame honest law-abiding people from Indiana for issues in Chicago, Illinois. Please do not blame (one of) the victims for political gain.
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Oh, that makes so much sense; disarm the bodies that somewhat hold to a semblance of cohesion and patriotism and arm the masses that would kill each other over a hunk of the car’s horn or a jump in front of a lane… yeah, that makes much more sense than gun control.
Maran atha!
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Maran atha!
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