Do you think a person who suffers from same-sex attractions should become a celibate priest if they wanted to?

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I mean they’re not having sex with same gender so…shouldn’t they?
 
Not sure of the relevance of “Yeah but they can still turn straight if they wanted to” seems an immature answer and not only that, somewhat irrelevant to the question I think. The CC teaches that same-sex attraction is not something that is chosen, so when we ask questions like this we assume they cannot stop having SSA.

So the question is - do you think someone with SSA should be able to become a priest if they wanted to? So the answers should be Yes, No, or Undecided. Whether someone with SSA can become ‘cured’ is a whole different debate and its best if we keep that out of this discussion.
 
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Not sure of the relevance of “Yeah but they can still turn straight if they wanted to” seems an immature answer and not only that, somewhat irrelevant to the question I think. The CC teaches that same-sex attraction is not something that is chosen, so when we ask questions like this we assume they cannot stop having SSA.

So the question is - do you think someone with SSA should be able to become a priest if they wanted to? So the answers should be Yes, No, or Undecided. Whether someone with SSA can become ‘cured’ is a whole different debate and its best if we keep that out of this discussion.
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Yeah, not a fan of that “they can still turn straight” option either. Some people are given the grace to become attracted to a member of the complimentary sex and get married, but I don’t see that happening for a man if he wanted to become a priest. It’s possible for a person to be bisexual – Both Sexes Attracted?? – but despite the amount of OSA, there’s still the SSA aspect, and it’s often not something that just goes away, like a cold. It’s more like trying to change your eye color: you can put on contact lenses, but the color’s still under there.
 
I just finished a biography of Fr Michyal Hedge, the chaplain of the NYFD. He died on 9/11. He had SSA, and yet was considered a wonderful, spiritual leader by the whole fire department; he was not considered so wonderful by the Cardinal at the time, mainly for his independent spirit. He also did great work with the AIDs community and with people associated with the friary. The world would have been less wonderful with out Fr Hedge.
 
Wardog said:
I just finished a biography of Fr Michyal Hedge, the chaplain of the NYFD. He died on 9/11. He had SSA, and yet was considered a wonderful, spiritual leader by the whole fire department; he was not considered so wonderful by the Cardinal at the time, mainly for his independent spirit. He also did great work with the AIDs community and with people associated with the friary. The world would have been less wonderful with out Fr Hedge.
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Indeed! His death certificate was the first one filed, out of all the victims at the WTC. When I learned that (while I was dealing with my own self-discovery about my own inclinations), I had to laugh at some of the absurd claims that 9-11 happened because of SSA people in America. It’s interesting that God chose to call one of His SSA shepherds home on that very day…
 
We are still reeling from the problems caused by SSA priests. It used to be that they were not permitted to become priests, then someone started sneaking them in and after that, it seems the rules were relaxed.

I know that not all priests with SSA particpated in that type of behavior, but the priesthood is an all-male situation, and that is a situation which is a temptation for men with SSA. And men without SSA shoudn’t have worry about that possibility in their surroundings.
 
I think they should. Celebate is celebate. They probably would want to let their superiors know, however, so they wouldn’t be assigned to live with another man.
 
I don’t think they “should” BUT I think the could.
We are all called to live chastely in our lives no matter our attractions. This means that we must allow our bodies to be used for the glory of God, and not ourselves, living within the appropriate parameters that God gives us. Marriage is for a man and a woman, and sexual union is meant to be pro-unitive, and potentially pro-creative within that union. If one is outside of a marital union, using our sexuality in a overt, inappropriate way, we are not living as God intends us to do so.
Just because one has same-sex attractions does not mean that one SHOULD live a priestly life, ESPECIALLY if they are not called to such a life by God.
 
St_Francis said:
We are still reeling from the problems caused by SSA priests. It used to be that they were not permitted to become priests, then someone started sneaking them in and after that, it seems the rules were relaxed.

I know that not all priests with SSA particpated in that type of behavior, but the priesthood is an all-male situation, and that is a situation which is a temptation for men with SSA. And men without SSA shoudn’t have worry about that possibility in their surroundings.
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Have you read St. Aelred or St. Anselm? Take those two for example and that’s just starting with the A’s in England in the Middle Ages…
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
Have you read St. Aelred or St. Anselm? Take those two for example and that’s just starting with the A’s in England in the Middle Ages…
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Are you referring to the chrono- and homocentric view that expressions of affection unusual in our current culture are evidence of SSA?

I’m sorry, I give No Credence to silly theories put forth by people who are very sneakily promoting a sinful agenda.
 
St_Francis said:
Are you referring to the chrono- and homocentric view that expressions of affection unusual in our current culture are evidence of SSA?

I’m sorry, I give No Credence to silly theories put forth by people who are very sneakily promoting a sinful agenda.
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Yes, but no, yet both and neither. There’s a massive gap between SSA and Acts…
 
Do I think a **homosexual **should be a priest? Um…no. I don’t think a **homosexual **should be a priest. Bad idea. Horrible idea. Would said homosexual - or SSA, as CAF people call it - be around kids? If so, would children be susceptible to that SSA - or homosexuality?
 
LemonAndLime said:
The CC teaches that same-sex attraction is not something that is chosen, so when we ask questions like this we assume they cannot stop having SSA.
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The CC also teaches that the proper term for it is homosexuality. I wish I knew why so many people were so quick to run to that certain river in Egypt to flee the h-word and jump on the “SSA” bandwagon. Makes no sense to me at all. It’s called homosexuality. Not SSA. 🤷
 
St_Francis said:
We are still reeling from the problems caused by SSA priests…
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Caused by homosexual priests, or SSA priests? I wish whoever started the notion of “SSA” realized how much confusion it causes. It’s called homosexuality. And you’re right - we are still reeling from the problems caused by homosexual priests. Why on earth would anyone want to encourage a **homosexual **to enter the priesthood? Why? :confused:
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
Yes, but no, yet both and neither. There’s a massive gap between SSA and Acts…
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That’s as may be. I don’t see a massive push on the part of celibate people with SSA to normalize homosexual activity; they are not the ones running around saying everything which would in our sex-saturated culture be considered evidence of sexual attraction is evidence that the person who wrote it was homosexual.

Sorry, that just doesn’t fly.
 
St_Francis said:
That’s as may be. I don’t see a massive push on the part of celibate people with SSA to normalize homosexual activity; they are not the ones running around saying everything which would in our sex-saturated culture be considered evidence of sexual attraction is evidence that the person who wrote it was homosexual.

Sorry, that just doesn’t fly.
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I don’t understand the above comment. Seriously. I tried re-reading it, and what I have bolded appears to be a run-on sentence (“evidence of…is evidence that…???”) Clearly, there’s a lot of confusion when people can’t simply call homosexuality for what it is. :confused:
 
havana1 said:
Caused by homosexual priests, or SSA priests? I wish whoever started the notion of “SSA” realized how much confusion it causes. It’s called homosexuality. And you’re right - we are still reeling from the problems caused by homosexual priests. Why on earth would anyone want to encourage a **homosexual **to enter the priesthood? Why? :confused:
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As a bisexual man, I find it incredibly insulting that you would equate child abuse with LGBT orientation. Healthy adults with SSA are attracted to other adults, not children or adolescents. To suggest anything else is an unfair and mean-spirited attack on good people who are doing their best with their feelings, and can only serve to whip up hatred against people who are, by the CCC, to be treated with compassion.
 
havana1 said:
I don’t understand the above comment. Seriously. I tried re-reading it, and what I have bolded appears to be a run-on sentence (“evidence of…is evidence that…???”) Clearly, there’s a lot of confusion when people can’t simply call homosexuality for what it is. :confused:
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Sorry, that isn’t very clear, esp without context.

People used to use very flowery language in their letters and address the recipient in very affectionate tems. They also used romantic terms to express their feelings.

When this occurs between men, homosexual activists seize upon it as evidence that the correspondents were either attracted to each other or involved. In their efforts to normalize homosexuality, they suggest that saints were homosexual if they wrote like this or had close friendships with persons of the same sex. Basically, they are slandering Catholic saints inorder to bolster their own sexual orientation.
 
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