Do you think college should be free?

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It’s not free if your neighbor pays for it.

I love how all these Presidential candidates like Bernie Sanders talk about all this wonderful “Free Stuff”, but forget how we’re going to pay for it all.

“The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people’s money”.

Sorry, I’ll pass on socialism, and you should too. Socialism is one step away from Communism. Remember Communism is an offense punishable by excommunication.
 
Education is never free. And university is always very expensive.

That said, it doesn’t need an ideal world for college/university to be almost free for all students.
It is the case in many european countries, such as France.
It is the State that paid for the education system to run. And it avoid young people to be burden with high debt for years.
 
Two simple points:
  • College need not to be an “experience”. Sports and all the frills not associated directly with learning and cost money. Go to community college, maybe even expand them to more 4 year degrees.
  • Internships. There are jobs that will just never require a college degree but need additional training. It’s not uncommon in places like Germany for companies to provide internships for even white collar jobs. By doing so the get a chance to mold that employee to their culture and even vet their skills for the future.
 
Scott84 said:
Remember Communism is an offense punishable by excommunication.
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seems not. The Church does not promote any social system. She only warned against some aspects of communism such as the atheism and the lack of liberty.

Where do you find that?
 
Everything that benefits working class people is SOCIALISM!!! Anything that benefits the wealthy is “good for America”.

Strange really.
 
There is more that the Catechism. There are papal encyclicals, and papal decrees as well.


So, you are basically denying the authority of the Chair of Peter?

It shocks me to even think you would find Communism to be a hip and cool ideology considering how many millions of people Communism has butchered, Catholics especially. Communism is an ideology spread by sword and gun, have you read Marx and Lenin? Because I have. Lenin speaks about violent revolution to overthrow the bourgeoisie. The Soviet Union was the first nation to legalize abortion, sexual liberation also has its roots in Communist ideology. Need I go on?
 
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I just look to the Compedium of the CCC

In § 512 it is written that the Church is against the Communist ideology and others form of atheists and totalitarist Socialism; and the absolute primacy of the market law on individuals.

Not mention the excommunication. I think it was the case in the time of the encyclic of Pius XI, no longer.

In fact i have known some devout practicing catholics who vote for the communist party, and no priest have said them something.

Cold War is over. So we are free to vote what we want.
I do not support the sovietic system, but it is no longer the case.

Sorry, I think we have a cultural difference in our view, not a theological difference. (we do not belong to the same geographical and social and historical area of the world).
 
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The government paid for almost everything, except that you had to buy your own books, pencils, pens, and paper. Students did not have to pay tuition or, in most cases, room and board.
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Who do you think funds the government?
 
Scott84 said:
but forget how we’re going to pay for it all.
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That is a choice for the people to make. Different countries make different choices. If it is ok for the people as a people, then what is the complaint?
It is for the people in those countries , mine included, and it isn’t communist, to make that decision.
May be improved or not, we say “ free” education and we are well aware that we are paying our share for the good of all kids. Period. It isn t any sort of affront to share what you have, nobody is twisting our arms, it is the way it is.
Look at it this way, it is strange for many of us to watch people count every cent they spend for sb else’s education and complain.
It is just different…
And btw, the poster said he/ she lived in a country that…nothing to blame her/ him for…
 
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Haha, can you imagine if everyone did that? Legally you might actually have a case… Not that I’m an expert.
 
I’m sorry, but I must have missed the part where papal decrees are considered invalid.

The fact of the matter is, according to Church law Communism is STILL an offense punishable by excommunication, and one that should be enforced.

Do you also say Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum no longer applies because the “Cold War” is over.

“Opposition to Socialism and Communism in Catholic social teaching had already been expressed in the teachings of popes since the encyclicals Nostis et nobiscum (1849), Quanta cura (1864), and Rerum novarum (1891).”

You can skirt around it all you want to, but enough Supreme Pontiffs have spoken about this issue, and you can’t be a good practicing Catholic and support Communism at the same time.
 
As a worldview, you are right, but not that because they have free education one has to fight against it…Or free anything…
Much less against this poster who happened to study there…
 
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There’s too much to that question to be able to answer it in one way, my honest belief is that all schools, including colleges, should be private. I believe that that would encourage more competition amongst private schools, and whilst they would not be free, I believe it would lower the overall cost. I wouldn’t mind College being free so much, if you could do it without raising taxes an excessive amount.
 
Scott84 said:
Pope Pius XI decreed any Catholic who is a Communist is excommunicated from the Church.

Sorry, but you cannot be a Catholic and a Communist. The two are mutually exclusive.
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Free public college isn’t inherently Communist any more than free public grade school or free public high school is inherently Communist.

I don’t see the taxpayers of this country agreeing to foot the bill to go to Harvard or Notre Dame, or at least not above what they would pay for public universities.
 
Which has been used to bolster artificial costs (pointless courses and majors, unnecessary architectural frills, bloated bureaucracy) which are difficult to backpedal on once put in place.
 
I agree. I also think that free public schools and high schools are inherently communist.
 
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