Do you think Free Masonry is dangerous to the church?

[Anonimous]

Anonimous:

Therefore, YES Freemasonry is a religion, and NO Catholics should have be part of it…

CORRECTION: I meant to say - “NO Catholics should NOT be part of it…”

(of course, if Catholics are ALREADY part of it then they should do their homework and find out both the TRUTH about Freemasonry and the TRUTH about the Church’s position on SECRET SOCIETIES)

 

[sadie2723]

Anim8:

I don’t know much about free masons, just that they are a secret sociaty bent on the destruction of the Catholic Church, and that there is a masons loge near my house (about a mile away).

Are masons a threat? Well based on what little I know about them I would say yes. Most definitly.

Are liberals a threat? Well they seem to be for just about everything the Catholic Church teaches against (abortion, homosexual relations ect.) and they are trying to force us with laws to accept these types of things. So I would say yes, they too are a threat.

Agreed.

Well I don’t see anything wrong with these so long as they don’t distract people from the mass.

I am going to say a word here…just a word. My father is a Freemason. I am not. I am Catholic and he is not. Dad is in the hightest degrees of Masonry, and there are a few Catholics that are actually Masons. I know them to do a lot of good and charitable work in the world. I am not going to make any statments about if they are dangerous to the church or not, but I will say that they are doing some good things. A good example of this is the Shrine hospital which deals with children that have been burned or in accidents…for no cost at all.

I think that it is important to look at the whole picture of an organization, but I am not going to go to great lengths to defend them as I am not a member.

It depends on what you mean by change. If you mean singing slightly more upbeat songs and little things like that (so long as they are legitamate) I don’t really see any problems. But not any major changes no.

 

[mosher]

Anonimous:

I do not want to take either of the two extremes that have been suggested thus far…

1. That Freemasons are merely a bunch of buddies doing charity work and enjoying a cold beer to get away from the wife
2. That Freemasons are the devil incarnate

Therefore, having said that. I would also like to avoid the “gray area” approach that is often taken by people who “really don’t know much bout dis stuff” (my phrase)

I have read much about the history of Freemasonry. They were founded to destroy the Church almost from the outset. Going back to the Early Church Fathers we see the condemnation of many of the writings that Freemasons later picked up and propagated through their doctrines and their rituals. Therefore, YES Freemasonry is a religion, and NO Catholics should have be part of it…
<<< ALTHOUGH THEY WILL DENY THAT THEY ARE A RELIGION>>> (most “lower degree” Masons don’t even know the HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY…so in that regard they are like blind sheep wandering further and further astray)

HOWEVER, there is another REALITY… Namely, that unbeknownst to them… MANY Catholics have joined this “fraternal organization” WITHOUT full-knowledge that they were going against the LONG-STANDING teaching of the Church… Therefore, according to the Church’s teaching on GRAVE SIN… this DOES NOT APPLY to Catholics today who joined Freemasonry. For example, it would be a MORTAL SIN for ME to join because I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH’S TEACHING ON THIS TOPIC and I KNOW THE HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY’S ANTI-CATHOLIC STANCE… but like I said before, MOST “Catholic Freemasons” don’t know that they are GOING AGAINST CHURCH TEACHING so they cannot be said to have “FULL-KNOWLEDGE” and therefore FULL-CONSENT OF THE WILL" (if they did this would be another issue).

If fact, I have only seen posts regarding 32nd DEGREE Freemasons (a couple people mentioned their father’s, husbands, or relatives and friends, etc)… HOWEVER, many of the “lower degrees” are NOT aware of the SATANIC WORSHIP that goes on at the HIGHEST LEVELS… especially ANYTHING ABOVE 33rd DEGREE… (33rd degree is the Highest Degree…but there are many other officers and roles that make up a VIRTUAL “MAGESTERIUM”)

When ANYONE becomes a 33rd DEGREE, he must swear an oath to LUCIFER. He is then given a book written by ALBERT PIKE (who was a vehement racist in the KKK). The book is called “MORALS AND DOGMA”… in it there is express ANTI-CATHOLIC and ANTI-PAPAL doctrines hence the giveaway “dogma”… Anytime you hear the word “DOGMA” you know it is a reference to the “Autocratic” dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church… which Freemasonry has TRIED to destroy…Alber PIKE calls Lucifer “The Son of the Morning!”…“He who bears the LIGHT”…much of this “ESOTERIC” belief is coming from THE ENLIGHTENMENT… beware of the “Englightenment” which vowed to Place REASON and KNOWLEDGE in the place of GOD, and to overthrow ALL PAPAL AUTHORITY THROUGOUT THE WORLD…

NAPOLEON and his FOUR BROTHERS were ALL FREEMASONS… Napoleon once told a Cardinal in the Church that he would in fact DESTROY THE CHURCH… The Cardinal replied: “For centuries men have tried to accomplish that FROM WITHIN THE CHURCH… How is it that you, Napoleon Bonaparte, believe that you can destroy the Church from WITHOUT?”

Obviously this was a rhetorical question!!! So going back to what someone mentioned earlier… You are correct! The gates of Hell will NOT prevail…

I’m sure this is a VERY UNCOMFORTABLE topic for many of you who MAY HAVE FAMILY or FRIENDS who are FREEMASONS, and some of you may be masons yourselves…

But please do MUCH MUCH MUCH research before you make a definitive conclusion that this ANCIENT and ANTI-CATHOLIC religion is NOT A THREAT TO CATHOLICS???

When the Freemasons protested the Church in 1917 (the year of FATIMA)…they MARCHED ON ST.PETER’S SQUARE with signs that read: “DOWN WITH THE POPE” and they had posters of THE DEVIL STEPPING ON ST. MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL…

This is not only not middle of the road it is nothing but drival. Most of the stuff that you have posted is either not historically accurate or is not historically accurate. I suggest that you check you sources and come back with some sanity on this topic. As one who intimately knows freemasony inside and out I take great offense to the implications that are being made because they are contrary to truth and any falsity is a disservice to humanity.

 

[Anonimous]

mosher:

I appreciate your tongue in cheek but the reality is that one of the central “teachings” of freemasonry is to subdue ones passions which we know by the spiritual masters and through theology is one of the necessary actions to achieve sainthood. Freemasonry does not cause or create weak-mindedness nor emotional deconstruction but is rather a tool of the practice of the natural virtues because of the common belief in God, the Supreme Being … etc.

Again, the problem is very esoteric and not on the surface but is rather a problem with some possible conclusions that can be taken by the imagery used in the degrees in the Blue Lodge and some diffculty in the philosophy of the Scottish Rite.

Mosher,

Your explanation from your earlier post above was my first clue that you are probably both Catholic and a Mason. But remember, Catholicism is not a mixture of the Church’s teachings and any “esoteric imagery” like you say. Likewise, Catholicism must not be combined with any pagan beliefs such as Masonic symbols and rituals. The same is true for Santeria, which erroneously tries to combine Catholicism with Voodoo.

I want to make it clear that only God can dictate what each individual’s conscience tells him or her to believe according to his or her conscience. But to combine Freemasonry with Catholicism is very misleading for other Catholics who are not Masons. Therefore, you should not judge Catholics who cannot in good conscience accept Freemasonry in any way shape or form.

I was in no way trying to offend anyone in my post regarding Freemasonry as a Luciferian Religion. These are facts that are available to the public. Simply google “The truth about Albert Pike, Lucifer, and Freemasonry” and you will see for yourself. There are also a number of books that are available by Catholic Theologians on this very subject.

There is no accident that the Church in Her wisdom has condemned Freemasonry for 2000 years! Any Catholic who is involved in Freemasonry should find out for him or herself by doing the research.

But here are just a few excerpts from Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike…
“Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion and its teachings are instructions in religion” (Page 213).
“Masonry…is the universal, eternal, immutable religion” (Page 219)

Catholic literally means “universal” because there is no salvation outside the Church. However, Freemasonry teaches that “Masonry” is the “universal” religion. Therefore, by reason of logical juxtaposition…the two statments cannot be simultaneously true and verifiable at the one and the same time. It follows that anyone who reads this would have to make a choice between Freemasonry or the Church…

 

[mosher]

Anonimous:

Mosher,

Your explanation from your earlier post above was my first clue that you are probably both Catholic and a Mason. But remember, Catholicism is not a mixture of the Church’s teachings and any “esoteric imagery” like you say. Likewise, Catholicism must not be combined with any pagan beliefs such as Masonic symbols and rituals. The same is true for Santeria, which erroneously tries to combine Catholicism with Voodoo.

I want to make it clear that only God can dictate what each individual’s conscience tells him or her to believe according to his or her conscience. But to combine Freemasonry with Catholicism is very misleading for other Catholics who are not Masons. Therefore, you should not judge Catholics who cannot in good conscience accept Freemasonry in any way shape or form.

I was in no way trying to offend anyone in my post regarding Freemasonry as a Luciferian Religion. These are facts that are available to the public. Simply google “The truth about Albert Pike, Lucifer, and Freemasonry” and you will see for yourself. There are also a number of books that are available by Catholic Theologians on this very subject.

There is no accident that the Church in Her wisdom has condemned Freemasonry for 2000 years! Any Catholic who is involved in Freemasonry should find out for him or herself by doing the research.

But here are just a few excerpts from Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike…
“Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion and its teachings are instructions in religion” (Page 213).
“Masonry…is the universal, eternal, immutable religion” (Page 219)

Catholic literally means “universal” because there is no salvation outside the Church. However, Freemasonry teaches that “Masonry” is the “universal” religion. Therefore, by reason of logical juxtaposition…the two statments cannot be simultaneously true and verifiable at the one and the same time. It follows that anyone who reads this would have to make a choice between Freemasonry or the Church…

If you had done your homework and searched for the previous discussion on Freemasonry you would have seen that I am a former mason who had ties to the most influential masonic thinkers of today of which I was considered an adept in masonic ritual, history and lore (so to speak). You will also not that I give serious treatment on what should be considered the real problems with freemasonry as opposed to the silliness that comes from the plethora of websites that are chalk full of absurdities and out of context quotes and poor understanding of the use of terms and symbols. I suggest you read what I and Rand al’Thor wrote concerning the issue and then let the thread die.

 

[Anonimous]

mosher:

I am a former mason who had ties to the most influential masonic thinkers of today of which I was considered an adept in masonic ritual, history and lore (so to speak). I suggest you …let the thread die.

Wow…

Well I can honestly say that your “exegesis” of Catho-Masonic teaching in some of your posts is very scary to the eyes of a Catholic who adhere’s to the Church’s teaching on Secret “Knowledge” and Secret “Societies”…

I can honestly say, I would not have guessed someone with such strong ties to Masonic religion would be on this discussion board…

I have a neighbor who is a Mason and a practicing Catholic… I cannot afford to even get into this discussion with him because I know it would ruin our friendship, not to mention I know he is completely indoctrinated (like yourself) in Masonic teachings. For me, this would be like trying to go door-to-door to bring the JEHOVAH WINTESSES back into the Church…

I am NOT THE MESSIAH… not will I pretend to be! But if I see something that is CONTRARY to Church Teaching on this discussion board, then I will NOT BE SILENT… Nor will I simply roll over an play dead or “let the thread die” (like you say) in much the way Scientologists such as Michael Schiavo, Judge Greer, and Attn. Felos “let” Terri Schindler “die.” She was STARVED AND DEHYDRATED!!! The State of Florida would not have done this to a dog!!!

Catholics must understand that Scientology, Freemasonry, Santeria, Jehovah Witness, Seventh Day Adventist, and Mormonism ARE ALL FALSE DOCTRINES that lead souls into ERROR AND SIN AND DEATH, for the “Wages of Sin is Death”…

 

[mosher]

Anonimous:

Wow…

Well I can honestly say that your “exegesis” of Catho-Masonic teaching in some of your posts is very scary to the eyes of a Catholic who adhere’s to the Church’s teaching on Secret “Knowledge” and Secret “Societies”…

I can honestly say, I would not have guessed someone with such strong ties to Masonic religion would be on this discussion board…

I have a neighbor who is a Mason and a practicing Catholic… I cannot afford to even get into this discussion with him because I know it would ruin our friendship, not to mention I know he is completely indoctrinated (like yourself) in Masonic teachings. For me, this would be like trying to go door-to-door to bring the JEHOVAH WINTESSES back into the Church…

I am NOT THE MESSIAH… not will I pretend to be! But if I see something that is CONTRARY to Church Teaching on this discussion board, then I will NOT BE SILENT… Nor will I simply roll over an play dead or “let the thread die” (like you say) in much the way Scientologists such as Michael Schiavo, Judge Greer, and Attn. Felos “let” Terri Schindler “die.” She was STARVED AND DEHYDRATED!!! The State of Florida would not have done this to a dog!!!

Catholics must understand that Scientology, Freemasonry, Santeria, Jehovah Witness, Seventh Day Adventist, and Mormonism ARE ALL FALSE DOCTRINES that lead souls into ERROR AND SIN AND DEATH, for the “Wages of Sin is Death”…

Sigh,

Of course you are correct that freemasonry is not consistent with the faith. However, not for the reasons that you may believe. Also, you seem to think that being a member of a secret society is contrary to the faith. This in itself is not correct, the Church herself has her own secret societies that are actually secret unlike freemasonry which is like the Knights of Columbus in the fact that only the degrees are secret. Rather, the Church teaching is against subversive organizations this means a society of persons secret or not how actively seek the harm of the goods of the Church or the People of God. What is not correct is the many claims against freemasonry that are made on every little website that is as ignorant as a gnat on the issue but acts out of ignorance and fear of that which they do not know. My interest in the subject is truth. It is my firm belief that if we are to do any good in this world we must work toward truth and in that mutual understanding of truth we can look at the real problems as opposed to the Malachi Martin problems that are none other than sensationalism and paranoia. I am always worried with those that need a global conspiracy to motivate their sense of protectionism.

 

[Anonimous]

Mosher,

You forget that the Late John Paul THE GREAT… was an avid reader of Malichi Martin…among other mystics…

The Church has nothing against mysticism…many of the Greatest Saints, Martyrs, and Doctors of the Church were mystics, such as St. John of the Cross…

However, the Church does not open her Sacred Canon to the influence and interpretations of out-side “Societies” that are opposed to the Magesterium such as Freemasonry. Therefore, there can be no “secret” interpretations of Church Teaching OR The Sacred Scriptures…

St. Augustine said: “I would not believe a word of the Bible without the Magesterium of the Catholic Church.”

Are you aware that the headquarters of Freemasonry has tried to file a lawsuit against Dan Brown because he has used what have been widely believed to be Masonic Literature…namely the “Gnostic Gospels” which were condemned in the Early Church Fathers such as St. Irenaeus. In the whole DA VINCI CODE mess is coming straight out of Freemasonry… The “Gospel of Truth” claims that the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was the “good” God who wanted to bring “ENLIGHTENMENT” to Adam and Eve, while the “evil” god was the one who cast them out of the Garden… We cannot have these esoteric traditions influencing and inflitrating the Catholic Faith… For centuries the Freemasons have claimed that the Cannon of Sacred Scripture and the Magesterium of the Church has “repressed” the Secret Knowledge and Englightened Wisdom that the Freemasons claim to posses and offer to humanity… This is a LIE OF THE DEVIL just like the LIFE IN THE GARDEN…

That is why the Freemasons were the founders of the “Englightenment” and the notion of a “Supreme Being” that can be anything from Science to Knowledge to the Serpent in the Garden… That is why Benjemin Franklin (an avid Freemason) changed the Declaration of Independence from “We hold these truths to be Divinely Revealed”…TO “We hold these truths to be self-evident”… Because Freemasonry JUST LIKE GNOSTICISM believes that the “Power of the Mind’s Eye” is the same as “God” and therefore, to have “Secret Knowledge” is to be “Self-Evident” to the “Supremem Being” of Science and Reason…

In other words, Freemasonry makes the power of the intellect to be God…

Look on the back of a DOLLAR BILL… why do you think there is an “ALL SEEING EYE” at the top of the Pyramid… That is NOT the “Eye of God” but rather the “MIND’S EYE”…the Eye of Secretism and Hidden “Gnosis” or “Knowledge”…

Freemasonry has done a number, not only in the Enlightenment but also througout the Protestant Reformation and throughout the world, in making Catholics (and many who are now Ex-Catholic) to believe that the VATICAN wants to “hide” the TRUTH from people much the same way that the “evil” god wanted to hide the truth from Adam and Eve, while it was the Serpent, Lucifer, “The son of the morning!”… That ALBERT PIKE claims in MORALS AND DOGMA to be “He who ENLIGHTENS” the mind…

 

[Chazemataz]

I dont really know much at all about them, but I know enough to know that they have said some very anti-Catholic things and that their symbol is the pentagram- an evil symbol.

 

[mosher]

Anonimous:

Mosher,

You forget that the Late John Paul THE GREAT… was an avid reader of Malichi Martin…among other mystics…

JPII read a lot of things but Malichi Martin was far from a mystic. John of the Cross is a mystic, Theresa of Avila was a mystic, St. Francis of Asisi was a mystic, Malichi Martin was a parnoid.

Anonimous:

However, the Church does not open her Sacred Canon to the influence and interpretations of out-side “Societies” that are opposed to the Magesterium such as Freemasonry. Therefore, there can be no “secret” interpretations of Church Teaching OR The Sacred Scriptures…

Of course there is not a seperate interpretation and none are claiming as such.

Anonimous:

Are you aware that the headquarters of Freemasonry has tried to file a lawsuit against Dan Brown because he has used what have been widely believed to be Masonic Literature…namely the “Gnostic Gospels” which were condemned in the Early Church Fathers such as St. Irenaeus. In the whole DA VINCI CODE mess is coming straight out of Freemasonry… The “Gospel of Truth” claims that the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was the “good” God who wanted to bring “ENLIGHTENMENT” to Adam and Eve, while the “evil” god was the one who cast them out of the Garden… We cannot have these esoteric traditions influencing and inflitrating the Catholic Faith…

Do you realize there is no masonic headquaters but rather there are various jurisdictions that hold mutual recognition and usually only share the degrees in common but even those vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Did you know that there are groups that claim to be masoci but are not recognized by the mainstream of masonry such as those forms in France that allow athiests or subversive groups like the ill-famed P2 lodge.

Anonimous:

For centuries the Freemasons have claimed that the Cannon of Sacred Scripture and the Magesterium of the Church has “repressed” the Secret Knowledge and Englightened Wisdom that the Freemasons claim to posses and offer to humanity… This is a LIE OF THE DEVIL just like the LIFE IN THE GARDEN…

Fremasonry makes not such claim however I know of some anti-catholics who happen to be masons that would make that claim.

Anonimous:

That is why the Freemasons were the founders of the “Englightenment” and the notion of a “Supreme Being” that can be anything from Science to Knowledge to the Serpent in the Garden… That is why Benjemin Franklin (an avid Freemason) changed the Declaration of Independence from “We hold these truths to be Divinely Revealed”…TO “We hold these truths to be self-evident”… Because Freemasonry JUST LIKE GNOSTICISM believes that the “Power of the Mind’s Eye” is the same as “God” and therefore, to have “Secret Knowledge” is to be “Self-Evident” to the “Supremem Being” of Science and Reason…

This is absurd and is not consistent with the historical drafts of the document.

Anonimous:

In other words, Freemasonry makes the power of the intellect to be God…

Look on the back of a DOLLAR BILL… why do you think there is an “ALL SEEING EYE” at the top of the Pyramid… That is NOT the “Eye of God” but rather the “MIND’S EYE”…the Eye of Secretism and Hidden “Gnosis” or “Knowledge”…

Again, silly.

Anonimous:

Freemasonry has done a number, not only in the Enlightenment but also througout the Protestant Reformation and throughout the world, in making Catholics (and many who are now Ex-Catholic) to believe that the VATICAN wants to “hide” the TRUTH from people much the same way that the “evil” god wanted to hide the truth from Adam and Eve, while it was the Serpent, Lucifer, “The son of the morning!”… That ALBERT PIKE claims in MORALS AND DOGMA to be “He who ENLIGHTENS” the mind…

Again, silly I am one of the few people on this planet who have actually read Pike and he says nothing of the sort. Further, there is no official masonic source that takes an anti-Catholic positionn. In fact as I stated earlier in the “Old Charges” as they are called it is considered un-masonic to judge a person based on their religion and one who does could be subject to trial before their lodge.

Again the claims that you are making here are apart from truth. We have to get beyond to silliness before we can talk about the real problems that exist wtih masonry instead of the absurdities that abound.

 

[Asking]

Free Masonry is anti catholic

It is not a threat to catholics in a country like the USA, thats is probably why americans may have a problems seeing why it is bad.

But in almost 100% catholic countries in Latin America and Europe Free Masonry has done everything it could to undermine the church.

 

[mosher]

Asking:

Free Masonry is anti catholic

It is not a threat to catholics in a country like the USA, thats is probably why americans may have a problems seeing why it is bad.

But in almost 100% catholic countries in Latin America and Europe Free Masonry has done everything it could to undermine the church.

I have noted that elseware but that is not a think that is intrinsic to masonry itself but is a result of the people that join who use it in Latin America to act as a springboard for their agendas.

 

[Gelassenheit]

mosher:

Malichi Martin was a parnoid.

With all due respect, this simply cannot be.

A paranoid person cannot be a successful exorcist.

So I tend to cut the man some slack when he says something that may at first sound sensational, because I know that he has experienced things that a lot of people wouldn’t be able to credit or even conceive. And from that perspective, Fr Martin seemed rather a sanguine individual, very human, with a good sense of humor. It was his unshakeable faith in Christ that helped him to face and confront evil the way that he did…would that we all were so paranoid. We need more like him, in my book.

 

[seabird3579]

Here is an excerpt by Stephen Mahowald in his book titled, "…:she shall crush thy head…(Genesis 3:15) subtitled – The triumph of Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, over secret societies, subversive movements and the One World government.

Chapter titled: The Ultimate Target, pgs 138-139.

…"Thus even though *Illuminated Freemasonry * was claiming its victims within the Church long before Gramsci was born, efforts to infiltrate the Church with Masonic and Communist agents would increase dramatically. Here again, it should be remembered that both of these bodies are just tools --among many-- of the Illuminati; the Illuminati, but one tool of Lucifer in his ongoing battle for souls.
How effective were the efforts of the agents of evil to infiltrate the Church? In 1954, Dr. Bella Dodd, a leader in the Communist Party in the U.S., testified before a Senate sub-comittee that in 1936 the Communist Party in the U.S. had been given specific and detailed instructions from Moscow for just such a scheme. She further testified that *she had personally placed over 1000 radical young Communists into the Catholic priesthood through American seminaries – and that * a number of them had risen to high positions in the Church.
Her testimony was simply corroboration of that given by Manning Johnson, another former official of the Communist Party in America, who testified before the Un-American Activities Committee in 1953: “Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin …the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through the infiltration of the Church by Communists operating within the Church itself.” He went on to state, "This policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our Communists expectations."206

 

[seabird3579]

I’m sorry, I failed to mention the footnotes applied to the above quote. They are:

206 The Communist Infiltration of the Roman Catholic Clergy: (pamphlet) Gregorian Press, Most Holy Family Monastery, 261 Cross Keys Road, Berlin, NJ 08009-9270
207 AA-1025: Marie Carre, TAN Books and Publishers, Inc.
208 A Master Plan to Destroy The Church: Jerome Daninques, M.D., New York. The book we have in our possession carries the note: Translated from the Polish Edition by Joseph Jankowiak, Elmwood Park, IL, 1992. We were sent two copies by different people. We do not know where this book can be purchased.

 

[seabird3579]

seabird3579:

In 1954, Dr. Bella Dodd, a leader in the Communist Party in the U.S., testified before a Senate sub-comittee that in 1936 the Communist Party in the U.S. had been given specific and detailed instructions from Moscow for just such a scheme. **She further testified that *she had personally placed over 1000 radical young Communists into the Catholic priesthood through American seminaries – and that *** a number of them had risen to high positions in the Church.

This part of the quote concerns me the most.

 

[mosher]

Gelassenheit:

With all due respect, this simply cannot be.

A paranoid person cannot be a successful exorcist.

So I tend to cut the man some slack when he says something that may at first sound sensational, because I know that he has experienced things that a lot of people wouldn’t be able to credit or even conceive. And from that perspective, Fr Martin seemed rather a sanguine individual, very human, with a good sense of humor. It was his unshakeable faith in Christ that helped him to face and confront evil the way that he did…would that we all were so paranoid. We need more like him, in my book.

His irregularity as a a priest begs to differ.

 

[seabird3579]

mosher:

His irregularity as a a priest begs to differ.

You sound as though you may be defending freemasonry. Is that wise for a Catholic given its outright condemnation by so many popes?

 

[paramedicgirl]

seabird3579:

You sound as though you may be defending freemasonry. Is that wise for a Catholic given its outright condemnation by so many popes?

I know a doctor who grew up in a Freemason family in South Africa. According to him, at the very highest levels of the Freemasons, there is no out. Once you know their secrets, the only way out is death. He says that only the very highest levels are privy to that kind of information, and that the other levels don’t have a full understanding of the Freemason agenda, so aren’t aware of how dangerous an organization it can be.

 

[Alfie]

paramedicgirl:

I know a doctor who grew up in a Freemason family in South Africa. According to him, at the very highest levels of the Freemasons, there is no out. Once you know their secrets, the only way out is death. He says that only the very highest levels are privy to that kind of information, and that the other levels don’t have a full understanding of the Freemason agenda, so aren’t aware of how dangerous an organization it can be.

No true Evangelical would be part of the Masons. It looks OK at the lower levels but as one works their way up to the higher levels of masonry everything is based on the occult.