Do YOU think marijuana use is wrong?

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Many of your points are valid ones, but they fail to address the morality of an individual person’s use of marijuana and only focus on whether the drug should be legal.

Perhaps marijuana should not be as vigorously pursued by law enforcement, but I’m surely grateful that the DEA is working to eliminate other dangerous drugs (cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, meth). Their use poses a threat to the common good; as such, they should be illegal.

I would definitely say that there is a much stronger argument, which I posted earlier, for an individual not using mind-altering substances, than there is for keeping marijuana illegal. That said, I don’t think legalizing the drug should really be on the top of anyone’s agenda.
i have no problem with drugs… i drink lots of coffee, not for the taste, but for the stimulant properties of caffeine. I used to smoke cigars from time to time for the nicotine. i like certain drugs and enjoy their use. i’m only not a criminal because i stand on the court defined ‘legal’ side of the ciminal veil.

The day pot is legalized will be the day it becomes more profitable legal than keeping it illegal.

no morality at stake… just profit… nothing more than on what front is the money greatest… and for the administration, that’s profit is in declaring “WAR” on drugs.

The poster asked “Do YOU think marijuana use is wrong?”… and i say i don’t think it’s wrong, in moderation and when used in an occasional, non habitual manner.
but even that criteria is hypocritical on my end since i run to caffeine every morning like a moth to a flame. it’s just a different chemistry with a different effect.

When the courts prove beyond a shadow of the doubt they are ignorant and prone to making grave errors in judgement… from roe to schiavo to the death penalty… they lose their authority to speak from a moral high ground.
It’s like Ted Bundy giving advice on moral living… once you’ve proven i can’t trust you. it’s as simple as i can’t trust you. nothing more or less.
 
False analogy. 1) Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas 2) if something is legal, but immoral, it doesn’t mean that catholics have to participate in it, whereas if something is illegal but moral or amoral a catholic has to obey the civil authority (so long as it isn’t against religion itself such as a prohibition against celebrating mass).

I certainly don’t want America to become more like Holland or any of the other countries in the Netherland! They are liberal in almost all matters - abortion, prostitution, and same sex “marriage”. Also if I do remember correctly they have a tendency of arresting Pastors who criticize same sex “marriage” or unions.

As for the argument the bit about there being less drug dealers on the street. I don’t know, but I’m suppose that it is wider used in the Netherlands.

While what you say is true at least Tobacco isn’t a “mind altering drug”, and Alcohol isn’t either in moderation.

It’s a mind altering drug. And artificial “ecstasy” is different from the religious kind. I think people who us marijuanna to get closer to god are in need of spiritual help, because it is the drug that is doing it. It isn’t god’s involvement.
Sorry, for not responding earlier…but like I stated in previous posts, in some counties in Nevada, it is legal…I realize it was an immoral analogy, but I was referring to a preist who commented that Marijuana was wrong solely to it’s illegal aspect.

That’s your opinion. I can’t wait to someday travel to Europe, and among other places, experience Amsterdam. My Dad has been there, and absolutely loved it. He loved the scenery…noteably the windmills, and he said the Dutch were among the nicest people he’s ever met. Needless to say, he hated France.

It definitely keeps drug dealers on the low…since Marijuana is usually the most sold…but the main point…less drug deales = less crime.

Mind altering? I guess it depends on who, and what. I don’t use Marijuana to “get retarded” or “hyphy” and then get the munchies, etc. If anything, I do NOT feel the need to eat. And, I certainly don’t feel “stupid,” or “lethargic.” Although I’ve never taken a pain killer, it’s what I guess I can equate it to. It’s very relaxing.

And, tobacco does produce a “buzz,” and obviously alcohol too…and then drunkeness…but then again ZERO deaths is the main point.

I do not solely use it to get closer to God. I am very religious myself, attend mass weekly, pray every night, and am a very peaceful person (as my name suggests)… but I feel if and when I do use Marijuana, it’s a spiritual experience. I do remember reading long away, Cannabis was used in churches as incense.
 
i have no problem with drugs… i drink lots of coffee, not for the taste, but for the stimulant properties of caffeine. I used to smoke cigars from time to time for the nicotine. i like certain drugs and enjoy their use. i’m only not a criminal because i stand on the court defined ‘legal’ side of the ciminal veil.
But what about mind-altering drugs, which is what’s at stake here? Is seeking out the hallucinogenic effects of marijuana a moral issue?
 
But what about mind-altering drugs, which is what’s at stake here? Is seeking out the hallucinogenic effects of marijuana a moral issue?
you’re not going to get a hallucinogenic effect from pot unless it’s dipped in PCP or some other hallucinogen. the only thing pot really is good for is it’s appetite altering effects.

i think the effects of marijuana have nothing to do with morality and only become immoral when abused, like most things in life.

I think the whole pot debate is much ado about nothing.

I am, for the record, a big fan on the war on drugs… it’s a great income generator and can really help thousands of lives by providing jobs in law enforcement, lawyers who make millions representing defendants… judges who are… wait a sec… former lawyers, too? one hand washing another… we’ll keep something a crime, guaranteeing our pension and retirement, the jobs of thousands of judges and lawyers who… oh my. i fear where this line of thought may take me.

'nite.
 
Not really. While cocaine is “processed”, there’s nothing else done to it. Nothing added (until it’s cut, and then it’s just usually acetaminophen, talc, and maybe caffeine, or other **** if you have an indiscriminate dealer). Come to think og it, I recall joints being laced with all sorts of horrors (LSD, PCP, etc). Just like extracting coffee out of the beans. You wouldn’t pick a coffee bean and chew on it, would you? The “assembly line” is kind of like the assembly line used to make wine, wouldn’t you say? Your argument falls flat.
My argument falls flat? I don’t know how much you know about foods, but being an avid health food junkie, and gym rat, I can tell you one thing. Processed. Anything processed, I stay away from.

I mean, it’s like whole food vs. processed. You may eat white bread, while I eat 100% whole grain which has all the nutritional dietary fiber. It’s the same thing. That’s my point. Don’t mention to me other drugs, if they are NOT natural.

Again, laced Marijuana is a different story. (Which if it was legalized, wouldn’t be a problem) But my arguement is clear. Marijuana is natural. I could grow it myself, water it, and when the buds have matured, put them in brownies, and voila. Cocaine, etc. is NOT natural, it is processed, and therefore is different.
 
My argument falls flat? I don’t know how much you know about foods, but being an avid health food junkie, and gym rat, I can tell you one thing. Processed. Anything processed, I stay away from.

I mean, it’s like whole food vs. processed. You may eat white bread, while I eat 100% whole grain which has all the nutritional dietary fiber. It’s the same thing. That’s my point. Don’t mention to me other drugs, if they are NOT natural.

Again, laced Marijuana is a different story. (Which if it was legalized, wouldn’t be a problem) But my arguement is clear. Marijuana is natural. I could grow it myself, water it, and when the buds have matured, put them in brownies, and voila. Cocaine, etc. is NOT natural, it is processed, and therefore is different.
well, i don’t like the ‘natural’ approach as all things natural aren’t in fact 'heathful"… crude oil comes to mind. or e.coli, for instance.
you could cultivate, grow and eat an e.coli colony… but that wouldn’t be good for you.

drawing smoke into you lungs, despite the flawed studies… is not nor ever will be, healthy.
but that doesn’t make i immoral.

much like overeating and getting fat may cause high blood pressure and diabetes… but isn’t always immoral.

or smoking ciggies… they cause nasty disease, but aren’t a grave matter…

maybe i should rephrase that last line. 😛
 
you’re not going to get a hallucinogenic effect from pot unless it’s dipped in PCP or some other hallucinogen. the only thing pot really is good for is it’s appetite altering effects.

i think the effects of marijuana have nothing to do with morality and only become immoral when abused, like most things in life.

I think the whole pot debate is much ado about nothing.

I am, for the record, a big fan on the war on drugs… it’s a great income generator and can really help thousands of lives by providing jobs in law enforcement, lawyers who make millions representing defendants… judges who are… wait a sec… former lawyers, too? one hand washing another… we’ll keep something a crime, guaranteeing our pension and retirement, the jobs of thousands of judges and lawyers who… oh my. i fear where this line of thought may take me.

'nite.
Exactly. Hallucinogenic? You’ve got the wrong drug. Marijuana does nothing near the extent to that. Now those are VERY dangerous and have killed many people…I’ve heard numerous stories of people taking LSD and thinking oranges were running after them and they jumped out of the window and died. Again, these are called hard drugs. NOT marijuana. I couldn’t picture any Catholic mixed with hard drugs. They don’t go together. I find people that use harsh drugs are lost spiritualy.
 
Exactly. Hallucinogenic? You’ve got the wrong drug. Marijuana does nothing near the extent to that. Now those are VERY dangerous and have killed many people…I’ve heard numerous stories of people taking LSD and thinking oranges were running after them and they jumped out of the window and died. Again, these are called hard drugs. NOT marijuana. I couldn’t picture any Catholic mixed with hard drugs. They don’t go together. I find people that use harsh drugs are lost spiritualy.
According to Wikipedia, marijuana is a psychoactive drug. According to the dictionary:

psy·cho·ac·tive (sk-ktv)
adj.
Affecting the mind or mental processes. Used of a drug.

This leads me to believe that marijuana is in fact, a mind altering drug.
 
according to wikipedia, The Catholic church is the beast of babylon and Sinbad died two weeks ago. not a great source to cite. and the term is out of context… "psychoactive’

that could then be applied to simple sugars which raise serotonin levels altering ‘mind chemistry’… food can act as a drug…
or caffeine and nicotine which are recognized as two of the MOST powerful psychoactive drugs known to man, they under that definition, would be immoral.
 
According to Wikipedia, marijuana is a psychoactive drug. According to the dictionary:

psy·cho·ac·tive (sk-ktv)
adj.
Affecting the mind or mental processes. Used of a drug.

This leads me to believe that marijuana is in fact, a mind altering drug.
Definitions of Hallucinogenic on the Web:

is a drug which induces hallucinations and alters perceptions (eg, LSD, ecstasy). [See Psychedelic]

Two totally different things. Tobacco, Alcohol, and Marijuana are “psychoactive drugs.” But they do not produce “hallucinogenic effects.”
 
quickly glance at this thread and you’ll see the different perceptions between pot and alchohol…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=144737

i only ask for consistency in thought. having a few drinks and relaxing in this context is greeted with back patting and knowing winks… do the same thing with marijuana and it becomes a moral scarlet letter.

i guess i don’t like the lack of consistency, which is why i debate in this thread.
 
Many of your points are valid ones, but they fail to address the morality of an individual person’s use of marijuana and only focus on whether the drug should be legal.

Perhaps marijuana should not be as vigorously pursued by law enforcement, but I’m surely grateful that the DEA is working to eliminate other dangerous drugs (cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, meth). Their use poses a threat to the common good; as such, they should be illegal.

I would definitely say that there is a much stronger argument, which I posted earlier, for an individual not using mind-altering substances, than there is for keeping marijuana illegal. That said, I don’t think legalizing the drug should really be on the top of anyone’s agenda.
All drugs should be legal. Anything & everything. Or make every leagl drug illegal: tobacco, alchohol, caffine…

Other than the legal issue, what is really the difference if someone smokes a joint after work, and someone has a shot of vodka and a beer? In moderation most things are not harmfull, but even too much coffee/soda has negative side effects.

Morality is a different issue than legality. If the stigma of drugs were eliminated I think it would change very little in society. Just because heroin is legal, would you shoot up? Most wouldn’t either, but there are some who would. Education and prevention measures shouldn’t be eliminated, but the money now spent on interdiction, jails, para-military operations could be spent on such education in schools. By making them leagal they loose much of the allure.

Pie in the sky attitude- yes, I know. Maybe even a little facitious but truth be told I would prefer to see almost all drugs decriminalized.

Should we (humans) legeslate morality? Are we to limit the free will we are endowed with to others? I say no to a large degree. Don’t get me wrong, I think certain drugs are just unhealthy and dangerous to society at large as well as individually, but I also think we need to be carefull in how we deal with them as a society, and as a faith.

Businesses, schools, the military, government…should have the same rights though too. It goes both ways. Any company or organization should have the right to set certain policy as they see fit. Guidleines can be set: such as equipment operators, policeman and the like.

Alcohol is a great example. The government says it is ok to drink, but not drink and drive. If someone wants to snort coke all day- have at it. Do it in your home and die if that is your choice. But if the job you have, or want has a policy to test for drugs, hey, that is the rule. I wouldn’t want the school bus driver who drives kids to school, or cabbies on the streets stoned or impaired- so the company or school has the right to have a no drug use policy to be hired and maintain their job. It’s like that now. I am sure there are bus drivers who smoke/drink…on and off the job. It isn’t stopping them when drugs are illegal, but by making them legal it becomes a different situation all together.

If you want to buy meth, go to the store instead of cooking it in your garage where it endangers your neighbors who don’t know you have dangerous and explosive chemicals in a residential neighborhood.

Have kids? The government can set make a law that drug use while kids are in the house is child abuse. You’ll be arrested for stupidity, not immorality. You want to take that PCP, put your kids up for adoption.

Again, these things happen now, but when people get arrested for drugs the charge is possession, or intent to distribute. It should be manufacturing without a liscense, operating a business in a residential neighborhood, no business liscense, not paying taxes…(Al Capone style busted)

I remember commercials when I was growing up- usually on Sunday nights when we as a family used to watch the Disney movie together. A blue screen with the words Public Service Announcement would appear and a voice would ask “Do you know where your childen are?” Then the movie would start again. We should do more of that, and more of those “This is your brain on drugs” commercials. Kids and parents will get it.

A addict might always steal to buy drugs, and should be arrested for theft, but it’s architect Suburban Joe who gets busted in the seedy part of town buying drugs who loses his job, vehicle, house… and serves time in jail because he wanted to smoke a joint on Saturday night. I say let him go to 7-11 to get it. Let the addict too if he earned some money.

God will be the judge if he was immoral or sinfull, or wrong. We shouldn’t. We should offer help and compassion to those who need it, want it, and ask for it if they get lost in that life.
 
Definitions of Hallucinogenic on the Web:

is a drug which induces hallucinations and alters perceptions (eg, LSD, ecstasy). [See Psychedelic]

Two totally different things. Tobacco, Alcohol, and Marijuana are “psychoactive drugs.” But they do not produce “hallucinogenic effects.”
Okay you have a point but I still believe that marijuana use, even for recreational use, is wrong.
 
according to wikipedia, The Catholic church is the beast of babylon and Sinbad died two weeks ago. not a great source to cite. and the term is out of context… "psychoactive’

that could then be applied to simple sugars which raise serotonin levels altering ‘mind chemistry’… food can act as a drug…
or caffeine and nicotine which are recognized as two of the MOST powerful psychoactive drugs known to man, they under that definition, would be immoral.
Wikipedia is generally an accurate resource as long as trolls don’t go in there and edit the articles. Here is a link that explains the accuracy of Wikipedia:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4530930.stm
 
Your thinking is skewed on the health effects due to the social stigma of smoking pot. There’s no good research on it. People will admit to smoking cigarettes or drinking, so the effects can be monitored. When asked “Do you smoke pot?”, most people will lie and say no ('cause the next day…you must pee in a cup if you say yes). That’s why the research lags as to the health effects. However, I must ask you…what difference is there in pot smoke and cigarette smoke? Both are plants, both are burned, both contain natural products which decompose upon heating and introduce carcinogenic or mutagenic substances into the body when inhaled. I agree with you about the TCH, but nicotine itself is also a vasodilator, and a relatively neat drug in and of itself. It’s all the other “stuff” that’s inhaled which causes the problems. Heck, pot doesn’t even have a filter (small good that does for ciggys too). If pot is grown in arsenic laden soil…you’ll be smoking arsenic (or eating it in brownies, etc.). How is that good? I’ve never felt the ecstacy you wax so poetically about. People react differently to the same drug. I think it’s dumb to do. I have enough of a time keeping my life in order to add that junk to the mix! I don’t care what you do…but don’t sit there and say “Oh…it’s not a drug”. That’s just categorically stupid.
How is my thinking skewed? There IS good research on it.

youtube.com/watch?v=LMFi3VQbDhg&mode=related&search=

I’m not sure if you want to spend 30 minutes watching a viedo, but Dr. Donald Tashkin of UCLA Geffin School of Medicine is interviewed and talks about the effects of smoking marijuana vs tobacco.

Nicotine is NOT a vasodilator. Are you kidding? Why do you think when people smoke cigarettes, they’re blood vessels constrict for say up to a half hour after the smoke? THC is a vasodilator, and works in opposition as to what tobacco does.

Now that’s just smoked…but if you put PURE THC in let’s say a brownie, you get ZERO negative side affects (like lung damage) and all the positives that come with THC…

THC is even now being considered to CREATE brain cell growth!

newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8155
 
I guess I’m in the minority, but I’ve been there before and it ain’t no big deal 😉 .
I believe that marijuana should be legalized.
 
I was using the search tool on this forum, and found numerous thread regarding how marijuana use (recreational) is wrong, and even a priest responded it is morally wrong because it is illegal.

And because of that if you participate in its use then you contribute to worldwide crime, which includes murder, slavery, war, prostitution,**** etc. that makes it morally wrong.

My oh my. I pity those who condemn the use of marijuana. If it’s the illegal aspect of it that makes you see it as being wrong, consider this: Getting a prostitute in Las Vegas is legal, so it that right?

Prostitution is morally wrong legal or not and it is only legal in some parts of Nevada, not Los Vegas.

Besides, we all know Holland has very liberal drug laws, and the statistics actually show it has among the lowest crime rates in all of Europe. The Dutch have gotten it right…they distinguish cannabis from harder drugs…which means there are significantly less dealers on the streets looking to push the drug.

They also have one of the highest abortion rates in the world. Women and children are sold like meat in that country as protitutes. It is a country that has no respect for human dignity or life.

What really comes to mind is the health aspect. Everyone knows 0 deaths have been directly linked to Marijuana…while millions die each year of tobacco and alcohol, which are obviously legal…such a shame.

**That is if you don’t count accidents, emphysema **and murder by drug dealers and smugglers

While smoking pot has limited harm, it’s no secret pure THC does wonders to the body…it widens the blood vessels (unlike tobacco, which constricts them), helps those of glaucoma, it’s even been found it helps with memory, since it stimulates neurotransmitters…which is why many people often find themselves remembering things that happened a while ago, almost with a photographic description…and of course, it gives people a feeling of complete ecstasy, a super feeling which heightens the senses…

All of these so called benefits can be found in other legal forms.

which is what brings me to post here. Believe it or not, Marijuana is actually a spiritual ritual to me…I use it at night, think about life, pray…it’s an experience that I wouldn’t trade for the world…it’s very peaceful. I wish more fellow Catholics realized the truth about God’s magical plant, and that it wasn’t so wrongly viewed upon by corporate America.

As for spiritual benefit as with all Hallucinates it opens the mind up to pschosis and the soul to principalities better left alone.

but it does make good rope.


God bless you all.
The truth is if you need pot to be happy, then your lost. It probly isn’t any more harmful then this or that, but, it is better to live without. To waste your life just to smoke rope is that just a waste of time and all the other periphial problems that come with it, just shows how foolish one can be following after an idol. It might not be like it is in Reefer Madness, but the people that are trying to get it into your hands are just like those crazies and they don’t even smoke it…

As to being addictive, I remember a childhood friend of mine, I asked him if he was ever going to quit smoking pot, he was 19 at the time, been smoking pot, since he was 12 or 13. He died a homeless drug addict, he was in mid-thirties when he died, long hair and all.

Grow up.
PAX
 
I get a “high” from going to mass and praying the rosary and when the organ plays a lovely traditional tune and during communion…I call it a spiritual high. I don’t need to smoke pot for that and it’s healthy. 🙂
 
Marijuana is wrong unless used for medical purposes (i.e. pain relief). If you need proof of that have a look at the paranoid kids running around every major city constantly thinking someones after them and stealing (with or without violence) to feed their habit. Tell me when alcoholics or smokers attack en masse for the price of a pint or a couple of fags?
 
Marijuana is wrong unless used for medical purposes (i.e. pain relief).
I agree.

No, marijuana is not as harmful as some other drugs, but it is still harmful. Not everyone who smokes it grows their own, in fact the majority do not. Which means most who smoke pot are most of the time getting much more then just marijuana in their system. Its usually laced with acid, cocaine, and who knows what else. There’s no way to know if whats in it when you buy it. Kids, of course, don’t care about those risks, but to say that smoking pot has no risks or dangers is completely wrong and naive.

When I smoked pot, I was anything but close to God. Smoking was my way of escaping, because thats all recreational use of drugs are any good for. Escaping from life and turning yourself into an empty shell. IMO, its impossible to use mind-altering drugs and be close to God. To see/feel God one must have a clear mind focused only on Him, not cluttered with stupidity and sin.
 
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