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Jesus was/is God…
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i have made vows/promises to God that i found out later i could not keep…
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Cathdefender
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Did I give you any hint that Jesus is not God?
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Pug
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This needs clarification. I am a Latin rite Catholic, though, so I am not the most qualified person to clarify. You describe it as “permit priests to marry” as if you might mean that men who are currently unmarried and are currently priests are allowed to marry. This is not so. Rather, men who are currently married and are currently not priests are allowed to become priests, most likely with permission of the wife required. Also, bishops are not chosen from the married. This is my general understanding.
I, too, have met married priests. They do exist.
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so, did anyone here say it was something otherwise??
can i say what i really think on this?? Not to be rude, but i think you have a very distorted and incomplete view of romantic love… While admittedly, many people DO give in to “lust”… and i agree there isn’t a lot of “true love” in this world, between men and women… sometimes there is… and frankly, who would know better about real love than someone who has spent his whole life studying Christ, his teachings, his Church?? I don’t think someone like that would be fooled by mere lust… or some “glandular” thing…
I resent the idea u seem to present that only a Catholic priest is a mature man… though i do have to admit he is usually probably far more mature than other men… (may not be saying much??) but then, who knows…
I know some extremely immature priests…
I have heard it said that men never grow up… whether one is talking about priests or whomever… and from my experience & what i have seen… i don’t have a hard time accepting that…
In any case, you are far too cynical, in my opinion… and i hope you are not married… I am just being honest but… if you are married i feel sorry for her…
I feel there is misogyny involved in some of the comments made here…
but there is also a disparaging of marriage… which God instituted as a sacrament…
I also believe it is unnatural to be celibate for very long periods of time unless one is a virgin…
but there aren’t too mnay of those in the U.S… over the age of 20…
I think only virgins should take such vows… because only they are likely to keep them…
“It is better to marry than to burn”… (Bible).
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Poll after poll has shown that a very large number of catholic priests favor an option to marry. More then half of all catholics in the USA believe priests should have the option to marry. Its very obvious the catholic church is out of touch with its laity and its priests. Should all of these priests be excommunicated for their honesty. Why can't nuns marry? Why can't a man become a nun? We have men doctors/women doctors. We have female nurses/male nurses. The church keeps the devout in line with FEAR/GUILT and the possibility of committing a sin. Thats sad, but it works for the church.
The catholic church says men will receive a calling from god to become a priest. If a married man got a calling from god the catholic church would trump god and say "no your not, we make the rules".....UNBELIEVABLE!!
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You have completely misread my post and my intent. I do believe in romantic love and I am happily and romantically married. But I recognize that lust must be tempered with mature reason and obedience to the gospel. A mature man does not leave a marriage or a celibate priesthood because of a roving eye. That is what I meant.
Also, I never wrote that ONLY Catholic priests are mature. I wrote:
You’ve got something very strange going on in your head if you read that when I didn’t write it.
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impalass
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What is your source of information that Jesus was not married?. Just because the bible doesn’t talk about a wife doesn’t mean he wasn’t married. A large number of catholics/christians believe he was married. What difference does it make anyway. If Jesus had a beard should all priests or male catholics have a beard. Come on get real!
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You live your life according to Jesus? Why not live your life according to what is right and wrong. Use your own conscience at least once. PLEASE!The first pope and first CHRISTIAN leader was Peter. He was married. Your answer doesn’t hold water.
Why can’t nuns marry? The same answer to the reasons any catholic official is not allowed to get married. To keep a spouse from inheriting the priests assests when he dies. Its all about money my friend. Same reason a nun isn’t allowed to get married. Thats sad! But true.
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Cheating Priests May Be Named
CANBERRA, Australia (AP) - Anglican ministers accused of cheating on their spouses may be included on a proposed church database of child abusers and sex offenders, a church official said Tuesday.
lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-aus/2007/oct/22/102200044.html
Bank: Preacher’s Wife Accused of Murder Tried to Pass Bad Checks
SELMER, Tenn. — Bank tellers testified Saturday that a preacher’s wife accused of murdering her husband was in financial trouble and that the bank had caught her trying to deposit bad checks.
Paula White, and her co-pastor husband Randy, of the Without Walls International megachurch in Tampa, Fla. Divorce, once a taboo in evangelical culture, is now a fact of life. But the Whites’ apparently no-fault parting appeared so matter-of-fact — few details were offered, and neither partner seemed to take a time out from preaching — that some grumbled about the unchristian notion of marriage as a convenience. Then there was the drugs-and-call-boy-abetted exit of marquee-name Pentecostal pastor Ted Haggard from his leadership of the National Association of Evangelicals. Clearly, Pentecostalism is facing testing times.
Juanita Bynum’s She appeared to find one in a minister named Thomas Weeks III, wed him in a $1 million on-air ceremony, and together they went out to preach and teach the perfect Christian marriage. Then, in August she accused him of badly beating her in a parking lot (he has been charged, but claims he “walked away” from the confrontation), and said she planned to seek a divorce — and to become the “new face of domestic violence.” A dramatic reversal of fortunes, certainly, but hardly the first in her particular corner of Christianity.
time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666552,00.html?imw=Y
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266110,00.html
CANBERRA, Australia (AP) - Anglican ministers accused of cheating on their spouses may be included on a proposed church database of child abusers and sex offenders, a church official said Tuesday.
lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-aus/2007/oct/22/102200044.html
Bank: Preacher’s Wife Accused of Murder Tried to Pass Bad Checks
SELMER, Tenn. — Bank tellers testified Saturday that a preacher’s wife accused of murdering her husband was in financial trouble and that the bank had caught her trying to deposit bad checks.
Paula White, and her co-pastor husband Randy, of the Without Walls International megachurch in Tampa, Fla. Divorce, once a taboo in evangelical culture, is now a fact of life. But the Whites’ apparently no-fault parting appeared so matter-of-fact — few details were offered, and neither partner seemed to take a time out from preaching — that some grumbled about the unchristian notion of marriage as a convenience. Then there was the drugs-and-call-boy-abetted exit of marquee-name Pentecostal pastor Ted Haggard from his leadership of the National Association of Evangelicals. Clearly, Pentecostalism is facing testing times.
Juanita Bynum’s She appeared to find one in a minister named Thomas Weeks III, wed him in a $1 million on-air ceremony, and together they went out to preach and teach the perfect Christian marriage. Then, in August she accused him of badly beating her in a parking lot (he has been charged, but claims he “walked away” from the confrontation), and said she planned to seek a divorce — and to become the “new face of domestic violence.” A dramatic reversal of fortunes, certainly, but hardly the first in her particular corner of Christianity.
time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666552,00.html?imw=Y
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266110,00.html
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The same is true for marriage, and for any other career. Should a young person not take a particular course of studies because of what may or may not happen in 20 years?
Again, it’s the same with marriage, and with all of the other choices that people have to make when they are 18-25 years old.
But as it turns out, life really isn’t all that long. Time flies by while you are busy with other things, and the next thing you know, you are staring death in the face, and wishing you had made stronger commitments to your core values when you were young, instead of waiting to see what would happen.
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I’m curious, are Jews able to avoid the temptation of ABC better than us Christians?
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dosdog
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More than 80 percent of Israelis don’t believe that prostitution should be a criminal offense, according to a new poll released by the Knesset’s Committee on the Status of Women Monday.
jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380554391&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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My impression is that nobody is ordained who isn’t at least in his late 20s. Lots of people marry earlier than that and are expected to remain faithful. I don’t know how much temptation and opportunity for vow-breaking there is among priests, but there sure is a lot for married men anymore.
I’m not persuaded the difficulty is greater for priests.
I’m not persuaded the difficulty is greater for priests.
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I don’t care if a large group of priests want to marry. They must follow Jesus Christ who was not married. That’s it. Over. Done.
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Are you seriously debating over this since you yourself are a Catholic??? Don’t you know the answers AS a Catholic? apparently not. If you don’t think that Jesus was Divine, then I guess he was married…how absurd to not know this as a Catholic. Give me a break…
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You say " I don’t care if a large group of priests want to marry. They must follow Jesus Christ who was not married. Thats it. Over Done.
You sound like the old nuns and priests that taught me when growing up back in the 50s and 60s. JUST BELIEVE IT THEY WOULD SCREAM! Don’t question anything in the church. WHAT A JOKE.
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Catholics in the 50s 60s were taught that if you were bad god would punish you the nuns/priests would say. Today god is now a loving god he doesn't punish anymore. The new god through evolution I guess.
Its not just the priests who want the option to marry so DO MOST CATHOLICS. CNN just recently did an extensive poll and found over 65% of CATHOLICS in the USA favoured the option for priests to marry. 51% of catholics are pro choice for abortion (believe it or not) Also why can't nuns marry? Please answer with logical answers not just THATS IT.....How childish and non sensical!
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Celibacy of the Clergy
Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for orders are solemnly warned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:
You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawful to turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.
By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege.
newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm
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Jewish Attitude Toward Divorce
Judaism recognized the concept of “no-fault” divorce thousands of years ago. Judaism has always accepted divorce as a fact of life, albeit an unfortunate one. Judaism generally maintains that it is better for a couple to divorce than to remain together in a state of constant bitterness and strife.
Under Jewish law, a man can divorce a woman for any reason or no reason. The Talmud specifically says that a man can divorce a woman because she spoiled his dinner or simply because he finds another woman more attractive, and the woman’s consent to the divorce is not required. In fact, Jewish law requires divorce in some circumstances: when the wife commits a sexual transgression, a man must divorce her, even if he is inclined to forgive her.
jewfaq.org/divorce.htm
Judaism and Same-sex Marriage
Reconstructionist Judaism
The Reconstructionist movement expressed its support for the full inclusion of gay men and lesbians in all aspects of Jewish life in its 1992 Report of the Reconstructionist Commission on Homosexuality. The report affirmed the holiness of homosexual relationships and the need to affirm them in a Jewish context: “As we celebrate the love between heterosexual couples, so too we celebrate the love between gay or lesbian Jews.” The Reconstructionist movement today also fully endorses efforts to legalize civil same-sex marriages and grant homosexual couples equal benefits.
Reconstructionist Rabbi Rebecca Alpert, author of Like Bread on the Seder Plate: Jewish Lesbians and the Transformation of Tradition and co-author of Exploring Judaism: A Reconstructionist Approach, has argued that the Jewish principle of economic justice demands support for civil gay and lesbian marriage, because the absence of legal benefits for same-gender couples can cause them significant financial harm. While not required to do so, most Reconstructionist rabbis today perform same-sex Jewish weddings, which are included in the Reconstructionist Rabbi’s Manual. Many use the traditional terminology and symbols of kiddushin used for heterosexual marriages.
The Reform Movement
The Reform Movement has called for civil same-sex marriage for many years. The Central Conference of American Rabbis (CCAR), the professional association of Reform rabbis, passed a resolution in 1996 opposing “governmental efforts to ban gay and lesbian marriage.” The Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the congregational arm of the Reform movement, followed suit in 1997, resolving to, “support secular efforts to promote legislation which would provide civil marriage equal opportunity for gay men and lesbians.”
The Conservative Movement
Same-sex marriage and other gay and lesbian issues meet with little consensus in the Conservative movement. The standing ruling of its Committee of Jewish Law and Standards, which determines the official positions of Conservative Judaism, is that Jewish law prohibits homosexuality, and therefore Jewish same-sex marriage is not appropriate. However, many influential Conservative leaders, including Rabbis Bradley Artson and Elliot Dorff, disagree with the Committee’s interpretation of Jewish law and call for support of civil and Jewish same-sex marriage.
The Conservative Rabbinical Assembly has endorsed civil rights for gay men and lesbians, without specifically endorsing civil same-sex marriage. There is a small minority of Conservative rabbis who perform same-sex Jewish weddings, indicating widespread ambivalence on this issue.
Orthodoxy
While same-sex marriage is commonly discussed in liberal Jewish communities, Orthodox Jewish groups have also voiced their opinions. The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America (O.U.) has publicly rejected civil and Jewish same-sex marriage. A December 1999 statement explained its position. “While the Orthodox Jewish community in no way condones discrimination against individuals on the basis of their private conduct, we believe that America’s moral values and traditions, of which traditional Judaism is a fountainhead, clearly assert that the unique status of marriage is reserved for the sacred union of a man and a woman in a loving relationship.”
It should be noted, however, that while no major Orthodox institution has publicly endorsed same-sex marriage, there are a few voices within Orthodox communities, most notably Rabbi Steven Greenberg, who call for new interpretations of halakhah (Jewish law) which would allow for more acceptance of homosexuality.
myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/sex_sexuality/Overview_Homosexuality/Sex_SameSex_Powers.htm
Judaism recognized the concept of “no-fault” divorce thousands of years ago. Judaism has always accepted divorce as a fact of life, albeit an unfortunate one. Judaism generally maintains that it is better for a couple to divorce than to remain together in a state of constant bitterness and strife.
Under Jewish law, a man can divorce a woman for any reason or no reason. The Talmud specifically says that a man can divorce a woman because she spoiled his dinner or simply because he finds another woman more attractive, and the woman’s consent to the divorce is not required. In fact, Jewish law requires divorce in some circumstances: when the wife commits a sexual transgression, a man must divorce her, even if he is inclined to forgive her.
jewfaq.org/divorce.htm
Judaism and Same-sex Marriage
Reconstructionist Judaism
The Reconstructionist movement expressed its support for the full inclusion of gay men and lesbians in all aspects of Jewish life in its 1992 Report of the Reconstructionist Commission on Homosexuality. The report affirmed the holiness of homosexual relationships and the need to affirm them in a Jewish context: “As we celebrate the love between heterosexual couples, so too we celebrate the love between gay or lesbian Jews.” The Reconstructionist movement today also fully endorses efforts to legalize civil same-sex marriages and grant homosexual couples equal benefits.
Reconstructionist Rabbi Rebecca Alpert, author of Like Bread on the Seder Plate: Jewish Lesbians and the Transformation of Tradition and co-author of Exploring Judaism: A Reconstructionist Approach, has argued that the Jewish principle of economic justice demands support for civil gay and lesbian marriage, because the absence of legal benefits for same-gender couples can cause them significant financial harm. While not required to do so, most Reconstructionist rabbis today perform same-sex Jewish weddings, which are included in the Reconstructionist Rabbi’s Manual. Many use the traditional terminology and symbols of kiddushin used for heterosexual marriages.
The Reform Movement
The Reform Movement has called for civil same-sex marriage for many years. The Central Conference of American Rabbis (CCAR), the professional association of Reform rabbis, passed a resolution in 1996 opposing “governmental efforts to ban gay and lesbian marriage.” The Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the congregational arm of the Reform movement, followed suit in 1997, resolving to, “support secular efforts to promote legislation which would provide civil marriage equal opportunity for gay men and lesbians.”
The Conservative Movement
Same-sex marriage and other gay and lesbian issues meet with little consensus in the Conservative movement. The standing ruling of its Committee of Jewish Law and Standards, which determines the official positions of Conservative Judaism, is that Jewish law prohibits homosexuality, and therefore Jewish same-sex marriage is not appropriate. However, many influential Conservative leaders, including Rabbis Bradley Artson and Elliot Dorff, disagree with the Committee’s interpretation of Jewish law and call for support of civil and Jewish same-sex marriage.
The Conservative Rabbinical Assembly has endorsed civil rights for gay men and lesbians, without specifically endorsing civil same-sex marriage. There is a small minority of Conservative rabbis who perform same-sex Jewish weddings, indicating widespread ambivalence on this issue.
Orthodoxy
While same-sex marriage is commonly discussed in liberal Jewish communities, Orthodox Jewish groups have also voiced their opinions. The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America (O.U.) has publicly rejected civil and Jewish same-sex marriage. A December 1999 statement explained its position. “While the Orthodox Jewish community in no way condones discrimination against individuals on the basis of their private conduct, we believe that America’s moral values and traditions, of which traditional Judaism is a fountainhead, clearly assert that the unique status of marriage is reserved for the sacred union of a man and a woman in a loving relationship.”
It should be noted, however, that while no major Orthodox institution has publicly endorsed same-sex marriage, there are a few voices within Orthodox communities, most notably Rabbi Steven Greenberg, who call for new interpretations of halakhah (Jewish law) which would allow for more acceptance of homosexuality.
myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/sex_sexuality/Overview_Homosexuality/Sex_SameSex_Powers.htm
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impalass
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Lets see now. There are many catholic priests in the USA and around the world that believe they should have the option to marry. CNN recently did an extensive poll and found over 65% of CATHOLICS in the USA believe priests should have the option to marry. Are you saying all these priests/laity who want the option are not understanding of their catholic faith? Do you believe EVERYTHING the pope says......answer please.
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I can’t understand why women can’t be priests. It seems very logical to me that they ought to be.
Who really cares about the genitals of a priest? I guess the RCC cares about the genitals of a priest. Odd that…
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