Do you think priests should be allowed to marry?

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distracted said:
you just lost your argument… Why would God sic the devil on Job unless he was trying to test him… and in a recent daily Mass reading, it talks about how God tries the just… Why would He “need” to do that if He already knew what choices we were going to make?

a goat can become a sheep any time it decides to… and vice versa…
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again distracted we disagree i dont believe that God did sic the devil on Job, God was very proud of Job and showed the devil how good job was. The devil told God that the only reason Job loved him was because God gave everything to Job, God said no Job is true to me. And the devil said prove it, and God did. He let the Devil tempt Job, but he didnt let the devil take away his free will, and of course God was right and the devil was wrong. All was taken from Job but he stayed true to God, the way God knew he would. Because he was of God. And if sheep and goats are the same why is God going to come and separate them. Also God never tempts us its the devil that does that. Again God tells us that. He would never try to turn us away from him. But again distracted thats just what i was taught. Maybe you are right and i was taught wrong. but again thats what i was taught.
 
rinnie said:
And if sheep and goats are the same why is God going to come and separate them.
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like i said, sheep can become goats and vice versa… free will…
Also God never tempts us its the devil that does that.
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I wish you would either read my posts with more precision … or not “mis-interpret” them… I did not say that God “tempts” anyone. I said he “tests” people. Not the same thing…

. but again thats what i was taught.

well, who taught you?? Just wondering…
 
like i said, sheep can become goats and vice versa… free will…

I wish you would either read my posts with more precision … or not “mis-interpret” them… I did not say that God “tempts” anyone. I said he “tests” people. Not the same thing…
. but again thats what i was taught.
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well, who taught you?? Just wondering…
 
How did we get on this subject of predestination, anyway?

I am learning things about the priest celibacy issue… Long story short is… I am beginning to understand the last 2 popes’ decisions conderning laicizing priests…

I am not totally in agreement (yet)… because… well, I think a person can be in one vocation and be in it for years… and maybe even God called them to that vocation… but then, later, after they have been through many changes, or what have you, God could call them to another vocation… Mabye that is why the Church grants dispensations (and annulments?)… .
 
distracted said:
like i said, sheep can become goats and vice versa… free will…

I wish you would either read my posts with more precision … or not “mis-interpret” them… I did not say that God “tempts” anyone. I said he “tests” people. Not the same thing…

. but again thats what i was taught.
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well, who taught you?? Just wondering…

Well my parents,and i went to a Catholic school since first grade, and went to a Caholic Church my whole life, So Priests, nuns, etc. But to say that God would sic which was your word on someone would meant temp to me, but i guess again im wrong. Its just the way i was taught. But i dont want to fight or argue with you distracted i know thats not what God wants, so i will just bow our gracefully now. God Bless
 
distracted said:
and that’s all that matters, huh? subjective truth… ?
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It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that God is both Eternal (standing outside of Time) and Omnipotent (knows everything), so if God is standing outside of Time, and knows everything, then He can know things that are happening inside of Time, even if those events are, from our point of view from inside of Time, in our future.

God doesn’t test us for His sake, but for our sake. The test is not to find out what we will do, but rather, to give us the opportunity for growth that we need, and to make us stronger than we were before.

God also knows that some of us will fail these tests. But He doesn’t take them away just because we will fail - rather, He uses our failures to shape us, as well.
 
distracted said:
slightly different??

No, you are the one who does not comprehend my words…

I control my sexual urges quite well…

No, actually that’s not true… Jesus controls them for me… Jesus and Consequences…
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Distracted…I will try to explain what I meant.

You made this statement to Veritashunters:

I never knew how strong my sexuality was until i tried to subdue it… through being celibate for years and years!!! It has a ^%#@) mind of its own…

Then he said this:

*3. You seem to be confused…you stated that you didn’t know how difficult it was to subdue your sexual urges. *

You then replied to Veritashunter that you never said that.

No, you didn’t say it in exactly those words but it was not an unreasonable assumption on his part because of your statement and especially, if one has read your frequent comments about your celibacy issues. You did start this thread and you do seem to rather occupied with your celibacy right now. After all, you are on a forum talking about it, making frequent mention of it, etc.

Distracted, I am not saying this as if to suggest there is something wrong with your doing this. There isn’t. I am just saying that sometimes when people answer you, you take it very personally, your cynical side jumps out and you say, “you don’t read, comprehend, I didn’t say that”…when in essence you did. I’m not trying to make a personal attack here, I just think it makes for some confusion when people try to discuss things with you.
 
cyberwolf001 said:
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Wouldn’t it also be bad with the laity married an adulterous woman?
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Well, let’s hope the man can forgive his adulterous wife and send her to a priest to get absolutions. Life goes on…

A priest who marries an adulterous woman can be sidetracked from his vocation because of his wife. What if he committed a crime because of that? Say, he killed her? What will happen to the congregation? If this can happen to one priest, there is no assurance that it can not happen to any other priests.

A priest marrying a priest (Anglicans, as an example) can both absolve each other’s sins and be both whole again come the next day. Over and over. If they think they have the power to absolve sins and their church affirrm they can absolve sins why the heck are they so concern about priests marrying each other? First of all, they can not excommunicate them!

Well?!?🤷
 
thirdn6 said:
A priest marrying a priest (Anglicans, as an example) can both absolve each other’s sins and be both whole again come the next day. Over and over. If they think they have the power to absolve sins and their church affirrm they can absolve sins why the heck are they so concern about priests marrying each other? First of all, they can not excommunicate them!

Well?!?🤷
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To be given absolution and have it be valid don’t you have to repent of the sin, not plan on continuing it???:rolleyes:
 
I was also reading somewhere (don’t remember where, any more) that a priest cannot absolve someone of a sin in which he himself participated. They both have to go to a different priest.
 
distracted said:
I am not going to continue this discussion with you if you are going to resort to petty insults…

just to make yourself feel better about your position??
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Dear Distracted:

Again, step down from the soapbox for a moment. No one is insulting you. The statement said that your concept of the Omnipotent was small.

It wasn’t directed at your personality. Your premise limits God’s understanding of the universe placing Him on a lower (“smaller and more limited”) plane of existence.

Therefore, your “concept” (conceptual understanding and projected model) of God is smaller and more limited than that of my own and that of the Christian world (Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) that understands God to be Omnipotent and all-knowing “I AM”.

The views you expressed are more in line with the Gnostic tradition than that of Christian theology and Sacred Scripture.

There was no attempt to insult you in any way, rather to merely clarify your position in “reducing” the all-knowing nature of God to merely a well-educated diety.

Yours in Christ,

Veritashunter
 
jmcrae said:
I was also reading somewhere (don’t remember where, any more) that a priest cannot absolve someone of a sin in which he himself participated. They both have to go to a different priest.
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Now that makes sense.
 
BSHoop96 said:
To be given absolution and have it be valid don’t you have to repent of the sin, not plan on continuing it???:rolleyes:
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To a catholic, yes. But I’m not sure about Anglicans who say they are catholic-like. Other protestants may not even know the word absolution.

When a married priest gets old and has children who became bad lawyers, or bad doctors, or bad politicians, or maybe bankrobbers… do you imagine what’s going to happen?

Those are just the extremes.😃
 
jmcrae said:
I was also reading somewhere (don’t remember where, any more) that a priest cannot absolve someone of a sin in which he himself participated. They both have to go to a different priest.
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That, also, I believe is true to Catholics. But to Anglicans- who knows? Especially, between two married Anglican priests! They can play bingo all night long and still be able to absolve each other before the sun rises. Who will excommunicate them?🤷
 
I think it is time to take a serious look at a married clergy. It is only in the Latin rite of the Church that celibacy is required for priests. The Council of Trent made it clear that celibacy is a man made rule. Peter was married. We know this since the Lord cured his mother-in-law (Mark 1 29:31). Most of the apostles were likely married and certianly priests in the early Church were. Why else would St. Paul discuss marriage requirements for bishops, presbyters(priests) and deacons?(1 Timothy 3 1:12) (Titus 1 5:8) It is possible that a married clergy would not be accepted by the laity in every country, but I believe the majority of American Catholics would accept it. Granted it would bring many new issues and problems, but I believe the blessings to our parishes and the priesthood itself would far outweigh any problems it might cause.
 
thirdn6 said:
When a married priest gets old and has children who became bad lawyers, or bad doctors, or bad politicians, or maybe bankrobbers… do you imagine what’s going to happen?

Those are just the extremes.😃
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Maybe I’m just slow this morning but I didn’t understand this?
 
soxfan72 said:
I think it is time to take a serious look at a married clergy. It is only in the Latin rite of the Church that celibacy is required for priests. The Council of Trent made it clear that celibacy is a man made rule. Peter was married. We know this since the Lord cured his mother-in-law (Mark 1 29:31). Most of the apostles were likely married and certianly priests in the early Church were. Why else would St. Paul discuss marriage requirements for bishops, presbyters(priests) and deacons?(1 Timothy 3 1:12) (Titus 1 5:8) It is possible that a married clergy would not be accepted by the laity in every country, but I believe the majority of American Catholics would accept it. Granted it would bring many new issues and problems, but I believe the blessings to our parishes and the priesthood itself would far outweigh any problems it might cause.
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A serious look has been taken and been discussed for the 733 posts before this one including discussions about the references you made! 😉 😉
 
jmcrae said:
God doesn’t test us for His sake, but for our sake. The test is not to find out what we will do, but rather, to give us the opportunity for growth that we need, and to make us stronger than we were before.

God also knows that some of us will fail these tests. But He doesn’t take them away just because we will fail - rather, He uses our failures to shape us, as well.
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i agree… and didn’t meant to imply anything to the opposite of this…

I just said that God tests (not tempts) us… never went into details as to why
 
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