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PLAL
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We need to stop using the word “pro-choice”. The term is “pro-abortion”!
Stop letting the Abortion Industry dictate to us its terminology. It’s time for the Pro-Lifers to dictate the terminology.
Do you think that a Catholic who supports a pro-choice candidate is a heretic?
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Stop letting the Abortion Industry dictate to us its terminology. It’s time for the Pro-Lifers to dictate the terminology.
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vern_humphrey
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I once had someone on a supposed Catholic forum tell me, “it is intellectually dishonest to say that pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion.”
My response was “it is intellectually dishonest to say that pro-choice is not the same as pro-abortion.”
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mikew262
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If Pro-choice folks want to be referred that way, so what? I think you’d find the majority of them personally disapprove of abortion, and would never be involved with one, but they feel their personal feelings should not be shoved on somebody else.
Now as a pro-lifer, you obviously disagree with that position and thats fine. However, lets not play the word game; it’s silly and it just sets up more hostility. There is enough of that already.
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jack_hawkins
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Yes, I think very few people are pro-abortion, so that argument is invalid. I personally think “pro-life” is a misnomer when some of the proponents would happily let both mother and child die needlessly rather than let the mother live. I believe in life after birth not just before it!
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mikew262
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As well as blowing up abortion clinics and shooting doctors who perform abortions.Yes, I think very few people are pro-abortion, so that argument is invalid. I personally think “pro-life” is a misnomer when some of the proponents would happily let both mother and child die needlessly rather than let the mother live. I believe in life after birth not just before it!
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vern_humphrey
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Sort of like the people who stood by the siding and watched the trainloads of starving Jews roll by and called themselves, “Good Germans,” eh?
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jack_hawkins
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:crying:
yes, and that other “pro-life” position, stopping the prevention of HIV/AIDS by the use of condoms:thumbsup:
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vern_humphrey
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As a Catholic, you are required to believe human life begins at conception. From the Catechism:Yes, I think very few people are pro-abortion, so that argument is invalid. I personally think “pro-life” is a misnomer when some of the proponents would happily let both mother and child die needlessly rather than let the mother live. I believe in life after birth not just before it!
(My emphasis.)
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jack_hawkins
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OK - how does “I believe in life after birth not just before it!” disagree with that statement?
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Iowa_Mike
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mikew262
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Huh? You might want to reread what the other guy said.
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vern_humphrey
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Because it’s pro-abortion cant. It sneeringly makes the false position that Catholics do not care about the child after it is born.
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mikew262
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Ignatius
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It is objectively a heresy. If, however the person is ignorant of the teaching of the Catholic Church on the matter, it might not be a formal heresy.
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Iowa_Mike
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vern_humphrey
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Deflection, how?Oh boy (sigh). :nope:
Nice attempt at deflection.
Do you deny that about 12,000,000 innocent people perished in the Nazi Holocaust – roughly half Jews, and the other half gypsies, Polish Catholics, and the handicapped?
Do you deny that the abortion holocaust – in this country, alone – has killed about four times as many innocent people?
That being the case, how can anyone who knows what’s going on stand by and pretend a great evil is not happening?
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Iowa_Mike
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Are you kidding? Pro-Choice = Pro-Abortion, nothing more and nothing less, so why the sensitivity about the label? Why do you object to calling a spade a spade? The words Pro-Choice were coined by the pro-abortion crowd and feminists to hide the horrific nature of abortion behind a slick ‘tag line’ and is designed to put the uninformed to sleep. At a party instead of saying, “Hey I support pulling a baby out of the womb by the feet and crushing its head, that’s cool”. Instead they can raise their wine glasses and say, “Hey, I support a woman’s right to choose”. We need to stop with the political correct stuff and call abortion by what it is…abortion, child murder, infanticide…whatever. Maybe if some of those sensitive citizens saw an abortion first hand they may not be so passive. Always keep in mind the only participant in an abortion that does not have a choice is the baby. I call people who personally oppose but publicly support abortion…cowards!
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PLAL
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When you say you are “Pro-Choice” and never finish your sentence, are you saying your “Pro-Choice”…
on school vouchers,
OR on letting motorists decide if they want to stop at red lights,
OR *on deciding what condiments people want on their hot dog *
*OR *on the legalization of rape in America
OR *on re-instituting school prayer in our public schools *
*OR *on letting people decide if they want to pay their taxes or not
OR *on returning Christmas to a spiritual rather than materialistic holiday *
OR what???
If your “Pro-Choice” on Abortion, then you are OK with Abortion and thus you are Pro-Abortion! It’s really not all that hard to understand.* It’s merely 1st grade logic.*
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Are You “Pro-Choice”?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=86000
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gvogt4
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I voted other. I am staunchly pro life. I could not see myself voting for someone who agrees with killing babies. However, to give a black and white yes or no answer depends on the circumstances. If there were no pro life candidate available, other factors would have to be considered.
This is an interesting topic as I have not seen any candidates who have the Catholic perspective in all (or even almost all) issues.
I believe the Catholic candidate has more to be concerned about than the Catholic supporter.
This is an interesting topic as I have not seen any candidates who have the Catholic perspective in all (or even almost all) issues.
I believe the Catholic candidate has more to be concerned about than the Catholic supporter.
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mary_bobo
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Please give examples of medical conditions which would make this necessary. That’s a pretty sweeping statement.Yes, I think very few people are pro-abortion, so that argument is invalid. I personally think “pro-life” is a misnomer when some of the proponents would happily let both mother and child die needlessly rather than let the mother live. I believe in life after birth not just before it!
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