Do you think that the church will ever accept gay marriage?

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To be honest, with the way society is going, I think they will eventually accept gay marriage. The new generation is taught that everyone is equal including different races, sexes, and people of different sexualities. This is the message that is being taught to our young, and before long the church is going to lose significant numbers of people if they don’t change their views. Even now, the church gets a bad rap for being anti-homosexual. In 20 years it will be much worse. I predict that the church will keep their teachings on abortion, but will ease up on gay marriage. I believe that within the next 25 years, the church will, at the least, stop their fight against same sex marriage at a secular and government level.
 
hellopeople said:
To be honest, with the way society is going, I think they will eventually accept gay marriage. The new generation is taught that everyone is equal including different races, sexes, and people of different sexualities. This is the message that is being taught to our young, and before long the church is going to lose significant numbers of people if they don’t change their views.
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Church teachings have never been based on what’s popular in society. If they had been, we wouldn’t be here today - we’d have become irrelevant along with the rest of ancient Roman culture, if we had gone along with what was popular with the Romans, back in the day.

Heck, it used to be illegal to be a Catholic, because it wasn’t popular that we believed in only one God. Back then, the tolerant people were believing in dozens of different gods, all at the same time. But we stuck with our belief and didn’t change it, just to get with the times and be like the popular people. We continued to believe what we knew to be true - and here we are today, still believing the same things. 🙂
 
jmcrae said:
Church teachings have never been based on what’s popular in society. If they had been, we wouldn’t be here today - we’d have become irrelevant along with the rest of ancient Roman culture, if we had gone along with what was popular with the Romans, back in the day.

Heck, it used to be illegal to be a Catholic, because it wasn’t popular that we believed in only one God. Back then, the tolerant people were believing in dozens of different gods, all at the same time. But we stuck with our belief and didn’t change it, just to get with the times and be like the popular people. We continued to believe what we knew to be true - and here we are today, still believing the same things. 🙂
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I think the gay marriage issue is a human rights issue and the majority of the children being born now will either be for gay marriage or labeled a bigot and a homophobe. I think the church will change their stance on it.
 
hellopeople said:
I think the gay marriage issue is a human rights issue and the majority of the children being born now will either be for gay marriage or labeled a bigot and a homophobe. I think the church will change their stance on it.
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We were labelled “atheists” and “cannibals” in early Roman times - we were even taken away to be eaten by lions. It didn’t change our beliefs. 🙂
 
hellopeople said:
I think the gay marriage issue is a human rights issue and the majority of the children being born now will either be for gay marriage or labeled a bigot and a homophobe. I think the church will change their stance on it.
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I think the Church may become less interested in the secular aspects of gay “marriage”. This is similar to what has happened with contraception. The Church hasn’t changed her stance but she does not put much energy into changing civil laws that allow it. Homosexual “marriages” will never be recognized by the Church nor will the Church ever be party to such unions.
 
hellopeople said:
I think the gay marriage issue is a human rights issue and the majority of the children being born now will either be for gay marriage or labeled a bigot and a homophobe. I think the church will change their stance on it.
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Well, I think you’re wrong. Truth doesn’t change just because the majority of people reject it.

The Church supports human rights. Gay marriage simply isn’t a human right. Marriage is an institution between one man and one woman.

And as it is, not every person may marry. Sisters cannot legally marry their brothers. . .so it’s not as though you can say that ‘any man’ may marry ‘any woman’. There are already limits in place because it is recognized that there are some ‘degrees’ or relationships that preclude marriage. And ‘same sex relationships’ preclude marriage. That isn’t a denial of rights, it’s a recognition of the institution of marriage. I’m not denying a brother and a sister who wish to marry their ‘right’ to marry, because their relationship itself makes marriage to each other impossible. I’m not denying same sex couples a right to marry, their relationship of ‘male/male’ or ‘female/female’ makes marriage to each other impossible.
 
hellopeople said:
I think the gay marriage issue is a human rights issue and the majority of the children being born now will either be for gay marriage or labeled a bigot and a homophobe. I think the church will change their stance on it.
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I know gay people who can’t figure out why any gay person would want to “ape” heterosexual marriage, in the first place. They don’t see it as a “civil rights” issue - they see it as insecure gay people wanting to “be like” heterosexuals - kind of like black people who straighten their hair and lighten their skin with chemicals, in order to “be like” white people.

Based on what I’m seeing in the gay community around here, the “gay marriage” fad will die out fairly soon.
 
hellopeople said:
I think the gay marriage issue is a human rights issue and the majority of the children being born now will either be for gay marriage or labeled a bigot and a homophobe. I think the church will change their stance on it.
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I don’t know. I don’t view gay marriage as a human rights issue. Because there are no laws prohibiting gay people from getting married. When you apply for a marriage license, they don’t ask if you are gay or not. Therefore homosexual people and heterosexual people have equal rights in regards to marriage.
 
jmcrae said:
I know gay people who can’t figure out why any gay person would want to “ape” heterosexual marriage, in the first place. They don’t see it as a “civil rights” issue - they see it as insecure gay people wanting to “be like” heterosexuals - kind of like black people who straighten their hair and lighten their skin with chemicals, in order to “be like” white people.

Based on what I’m seeing in the gay community around here, the “gay marriage” fad will die out fairly soon.
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Good observation. Heck, back in the 60’s and 70’s it was old fashioned and out of date to want to get married! As the song goes, why be tied by ink that has dried upon some line?
 
If the Church accepted sin, then Jesus was a liar and all Christians are deluded.
 
Doesn’t it seem mostly likely that Catholic objections to homosexuality will just fade into cultural irrelevance, much like their teaching on divorce and contraception (which has already been mentioned)? What difference does it make what the leadership is saying when very few, even amongst their own membership, abide by it?

Divorce became even more widely available legal option beginning about 40yrs ago, with the arrival of no-fault divorce. No one thinks twice about it now.
 
mackbrislawn said:
Good observation. Heck, back in the 60’s and 70’s it was old fashioned and out of date to want to get married! As the song goes, why be tied by ink that has dried upon some line?
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Precisely - they see marriage as the opposite of sexual freedom, which is what homosexuality (for them) is supposed to be all about.
 
Corki said:
I think the Church may become less interested in the secular aspects of gay “marriage”. This is similar to what has happened with contraception. The Church hasn’t changed her stance but she does not put much energy into changing civil laws that allow it. Homosexual “marriages” will never be recognized by the Church nor will the Church ever be party to such unions.
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This is basically what I am talking about. I don’t know if the church will ever have gay marriages AT the church, but they will certainly bow out of the secular aspects of it IMO.
 
The Church teaching is “gay marriage” does not exist in Natural Law. Natural Law originates from god. The civil issue of gay marriage is outside the Church. The Church is not anti-homosexual never was that is just a misunderstanding.

hope that helps
 
kage_ar said:
If the Church accepted sin, then Jesus was a liar and all Christians are deluded.
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The question should be does anyone in the church even have the power to change the teaching on gay marriage? If gay marriage, artificial birth control, and abortion are accepted, the church is dead and our faith is worthless.
 
Hypatia said:
Doesn’t it seem mostly likely that Catholic objections to homosexuality will just fade into cultural irrelevance, much like their teaching on divorce and contraception (which has already been mentioned)? What difference does it make what the leadership is saying when very few, even amongst their own membership, abide by it?

Divorce became even more widely available legal option beginning about 40yrs ago, with the arrival of no-fault divorce. No one thinks twice about it now.
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This is, unfortunately, the truth.
 
jmcrae said:
Precisely - they see marriage as the opposite of sexual freedom, which is what homosexuality (for them) is supposed to be all about.
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I don’t think that homosexuality is all about sexual freedom. Many homosexuals want to be able to marry the person they love.
 
hellopeople said:
Well if you can show me where Jesus condemns gays in the gospels I would agree with you.
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That is not the issue. Jesus says the “gates of hell will never prevail against the church”. The church has taught for the 2,000 years of its existence that homosexual acts are wrong. This means that if the church admitted to being wrong about it all this time than the church was defeated by the devil for 2,000 years, which Jesus said would never happen.
 
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