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Texas_Roofer
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It is wise to remember the Church has rewarded them well :bigyikes: read the threads on annulments or the Pope’s recent comments on annulments.
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hellopeople
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You know what…Jesus said that divorce was wrong, except in cases of adultery. I don’t see what the issue is to be honest.
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jmcrae
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Well - most homosexuals “love” more than one person. Perhaps they should be allowed to “marry” their whole coven, instead of having to pick out only one person?
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mjs1987
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That is a mistranslation of the Greek, I believe. The Greek, I believe, means incest and not adultery. Jesus was settling a dispute between two different groups of Jews: one believed divorce was ok in most circumstances and the other said only in the case of adultery. If Jesus was merely affirming that divorce was ok in adultery, the astonishment of the people that listened to Jesus proclaim it wouldnt be logical since Jesus would have been confirming something that was already a common position to take. His condemnation of divorce goes beyond adultery. The translation should be changed to reflect the Greek better.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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The Church has not the authority to accept homosexual ‘marriage,’ any more than it can make women into priests. Are you able to understand this?
The day it does, is the day we see the true Anti-Christ.
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mackbrislawn
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What if the person you love is your mother? Or the wrong age? Or already married?
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Texas_Roofer
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I do not believe it to be a mistranslation of Greek, but rather an issue of context. A woman commiting adultry then was taking an extreme risk and thus had a strong desire to be with the other man. Today the extreme risk is nearly absent so “(name removed by moderator)roperly married” probably matches the context
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rossum
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I suspect that the official line of the Church will not change but that it will be de-emphasised compared to the current situation.
The Church does not recognise divorce yet it does not make a great deal of public fuss about divorce or about divorced people remarrying and so forth. I suspect that the Church will eventually adopt the same sort of position with Gay Marriage. She will not recognise Gay Marriages and will not allow them in a Catholic Church but will de facto recognise that some couples will be effectively married even if they are not married de jure under Church Law.
This is as with civil divorces and remarriages, they are recognised de facto but not de jure.
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Kay_Cee
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When you want to determine whether or not something is morally right, do you check your calendar? Does the calendar determine truth?
If you think the Church will change its stance on marriage, you are wrong. The Church has absolutely no authority whatsoever to change its teaching on marriage.
What would you think if, just before delivering your mail, your postal worker opened your letters, removed some pages, crossed out some words, and added other words? Wouldn’t you say that person had no right to do that? Well, the Church is the deliverer of God’s Word. It has no right to edit God’s message.
If it comes down to it, the Church will let the entire U.S. go rather than change its teaching about marriage. If you don’t think the Church would ever do that, I will remind you that it already let an entire country go rather than do so.
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exoflare
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That’s where polygamy comes in, eventually, but not yet. The whole mock marriage movement knows they can only take it one step at a time.
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mackbrislawn
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Exactly right. Just like any other sin. For instance, murder is recognized de facto, but not de jure.
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PeterMuz
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The Church is against “gay marriage” because the homosexual act goes against the natural law and against God’s word. The civil issue of gay marriage is outside of the Church in the sense that the Church does not have any legal authority. But the Church is very clear that gay marriage is a moral issue and not only a civil issue.
Your statement about the Church not being “anti-homosexual” should probably be made more clear. The Churches stand is that you hate the sin and love the sinner. Of course we are all sinners.
I do not think the Churches stance on gay marriage will change. For this to happen, the reason or purpose for marriage would have to change. Marriage is for unity AND procreation. Marriage and all Sacraments are a physical manifestation of a spiritual reality. The love of a husband and wife in marriage is a reflection of the love between the Father and the Son in the Trinity. It is through that love (that children are born and a soul is created) that brings forth the Holy Spirit. That is something that gay marriage cannot provide. This is also one of the reasons that the Church asks, in the Marriage ceremony, if both the man and woman are open to children if it is God’s will.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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So as a Buddhist, you are an expert on what the Catholic Church will do? Whether it’s your two cents or not, if your prediction comes true, we may very well be in the end times.
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kage_ar
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You have stated over and over that you reject the 10 Commandments, I’d imagine if Jesus spoke to you in an audible voice you’d laugh it off.
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kage_ar
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You have stated over and over that you reject the 10 Commandments - the whole “thou shalt not murder” thing, I’d imagine if Jesus spoke to you in an audible voice you’d laugh it off.
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Smber2c
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I know others have said it, but these is no possible way the Church changes on this. Alreadly contraception was brought up, as was divorce. Both examples of forbidded practices that society largely accepts, but the Catholic church does and will not.
Other examples,
- Open communion (all the rage with most denomination today - never in this church)
- Female priests (not totally common but growing)
- Premarrital sex - extremely common today, church hasn’t budged an inch.
- Drunkeness/Porn - both very common today, both acknowleged by Catholics as sin.
The official teaching will never change. And though emphasis may be put of different areas at different times, they won’t ever stop teaching the truth. Claiming the Church has stopped fighting against divorce or contraception is not true. Not everyone hears the message; but that has never been the case before - why would it be the case today.
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PeterMuz
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Whether you have a gay couple or a straight couple, if the only reason you get married is to “be with the person they love”, they have missed a significant part of what marriage is. Marriage is not just about sex or a status that is given. Marriage is much much deeper than that. As I stated in another post… Marriage is a physical manifestation of a spiritual reality. And it is because God has created us male and female that we participate in his plan for having children and bringing them up in the faith. If we believe that God has made us co-creators through marriage and the ability of a man and woman to bring a new soul into existence, then marriage between a man and a woman is the only way it can be.
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camerong
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The Church has declared that gay marriage is fundamentally unacceptable, regardless of time or place. It has also declared that this is an infallible teaching. Thus this teaching cannot change. Anyone who says this teaching can change either does not understand the infallible nature of the Church’s moral teachings, or does not believe in it.
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hellopeople
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The church has been wrong before. The church’s history is far from perfect. If the church is wrong does that mean that the devil prevailed?
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hellopeople
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I don’t see what you are trying to say here…are you saying that all gays have multiple lovers?Well - most homosexuals “love” more than one person. Perhaps they should be allowed to “marry” their whole coven, instead of having to pick out only one person?
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