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paramedicgirl
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Yeah, I can totally relate. Many liberals in the L& S forum have totally turned me off of the Novus Ordo. But then I try to remember that it’s the Holy Mass, not the personalitites here that matter.
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AJV
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Very simply- because it’s an innacurate quote. Fake. The original was speaking of the 1965 version of the Good Friday prayers and was written in the past tense. Surprise, surprise, it doesn’t mention the word “Protestant” anywhere.
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AJV
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Er, yes, it does (if by “it” you meant the quote)
I’m a bit lazy to dig it up but Bugsy said something like: Who cannot mourn the loss from the seventh oration (i.e. the “heretics and schismatics” one), quoted a bit of it, shed a few crocodile tears, and concluded with “love for souls and a desire to facilitate return has lead the Church to make this painful sacrifices”
Of course, if you meant by "it"m that doesn’t make the (alleged) fact false, then the above is pointless, sorry for misreading you.
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AJV
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Er, yes, it does (if by “it” you meant the quote)
I’m a bit lazy to dig it up
but Bugsy said something like: Who cannot mourn the loss from the seventh oration (i.e. the “heretics and schismatics” one), quoted a bit of it, shed a few crocodile tears, and concluded with “love for souls and a desire to help the return of the separated brethren by removing the stone that leads to unease has lead the Church to make this painful sacrifices” (You’ll find the exact quote in Italian if you do a search of this forum)Of course, if you meant by "it"m that doesn’t make the (alleged) fact false, then the above is pointless, sorry for misreading you.
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bpbasilphx
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<<And the Tridentine Mass will come back completely?>>
The very fact the Eastern Churches with their liturgie exist mean the Tridentine Mass will NEVER “come back completely.”
The very fact the Eastern Churches with their liturgie exist mean the Tridentine Mass will NEVER “come back completely.”
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BobP123
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Some of the Novus Ordinarians have turned me off on even the most reverent NO’s. Works both ways.
If it’s divisive you want, try creating more vernaculars and cultures. Been there, done that.
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AJV
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I was responding to the alleged statement of Bugnini which explicitly mentions “that is the Protestants” which is a word not found in his actual article.
As for the liturgical changes, if you examine a lot of them, the same mantra was repeated then as justification for the changes that many “contemporary” liturgists are repeating now - and not motivated by Protestant-ism. Clarity of liturgical signs, unencumbered by accretions, overamplification of simple rites, blah blah.
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Malcolm_McLean
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As far as I am concerned you can do whatever you want to the liturgy. Have pop music, abolish kneeling, communion in the hand, liturgical dancing, clwns on the altar. If it brings the Protestants back into communion with the Church then it is a price well worth paying.
The problem comes when you make all these compromises but, though maybe there is an improved tone, the schism is not resolved. Then you need to ask the Protestants “look, what are your real objections? What you really want from from us?”
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BobP123
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I don’t know if I’d agree with that statement. It would seem to me that it would appear the Church is moving toward Protestantism when that happens not the other way around. Perhaps that it is a good thing if it makes the Protestant liturgy more reverent (if it needs to be) would be more of a concern to many. After all, it’s already been established that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ, except “you know who.”
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WanderAimlessly
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My sentiments exactly (and I am not being sarcastic). I mean it seems that anyone who does not agree with some of them 110% is a heretic. One even called Bishop Bruskewitz a heretic. And there is also “the every OF Mass is a ‘clown’ Mass mentality” of some here.
I was leery when this forum was started and I think I state so. My suspicions were confirmed.
Bullies are more like it. But many of them, I do not see their posts unless they are quoted by others.
It is not quite as bad as it was on another forum where a “traditionalist” even threatened me with lawsuits because I stood up to him.
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paramedicgirl
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Excellent logic. Strike them all dead because of a few.
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WanderAimlessly
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For reasons I cannot go into, essentially yes.Excellent logic. Strike them all dead because of a few.
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WanderAimlessly
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Those “few” dominate the conversation with their rhetoric. So, essentially, yesExcellent logic. Strike them all dead because of a few.
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paramedicgirl
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You are endorsing offenses to God in the name of mental trappings?
Violations of the sacred of the liturgy are abuses. The Vatican has documents on liturgical abuses. We should not compromise our sacred traditions to bring in the Protestants. We should work harder on converting them. It is the grace of God that will convert them, not the abuses you mention.
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paramedicgirl
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for someone who has over 40,000 posts, do you think it might be possible that you may have dominated some threads in the past? Just curious.
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WanderAimlessly
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Ah yes! Typical “kill the messenger” response.
I have the right to my opinion. 
Besides, most of those “posts” have been in the Clubhouse. 
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paramedicgirl
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I was just asking…Besides it is you who have promoted the “kill the messenger” with your previous post where you agreed it is necessary to kill them all because of a few.Ah yes! Typical “kill the messenger” response.
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Catherine_S
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