Do you think the Christ will return before the sun eventually destroys the earth?

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In a 100 years we have come from first flight to landing on the moon and probably Mars in the next 20 years so it seems pretty obvious to me that the human race will have spread to other parts of the universe (hence spreading the faith) in the coming millions of years never mind billions.

However, what difference does it make anyway? Christ told us we do not know the hour and the day so we should always be ready.
Yes, we should certainly be out there colonizing the galaxy long before the sun goes nova. (There’s those blasted colonialsts at it again!) Unless of course the second coming intervenes. (But in that case, maybe it would just give us something to do in heaven.)
 
Yes, we should certainly be out there colonizing the galaxy long before the sun goes nova. (There’s those blasted colonialsts at it again!) Unless of course the second coming intervenes. (But in that case, maybe it would just give us something to do in heaven.)
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Even if the Sun were to burn us away before the Lord returns, he should have no problem resurrecting us from the resulting cosmic debris.
 
So do you think judgement or the “end of time” will occur before the sun expands so much that the earth will be completely destroyed?
Maybe the expansion of the sun is the Judgement Day.
 
I would be more interesting if we survived on other worlds after the Earth was destroyed. We could look back at the demise of the Sun as “primitive” human history. 😉

I hope we have enough time to explore the universe more fully. It would be a shame to only see a small part of God’s creation.
 
I would much rather be seeing God, than his creation.
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Who knows. Nobody knows the day nor the hour of his coming. So it’s idle speculation to say when he will return. All we know is that he will return. The Church awaits Christ’s return with joyful hope! 🙂
 
I understand that the sun is a star which contains or is made up of helium and hydrogen (wikipedia), and that its full of vast amounts of energy. And that when it starts to die it will start to expand so much that the inner planets will be completely obliterated.

So do you think judgement or the “end of time” will occur before the sun expands so much that the earth will be completely destroyed?

Or will that event be the end of time for the human race? Is there another event that is predicted to cause the end of human life before the sun does such as an ice age?
**Jesus doesn’t tell us this in Scripture, so, we don’t know. What He does tell us is that at the end of the age of God’s mercy, there will be ‘signs’ in the sun, moon, and stars, and great upheavals will take place in the earth frightening humankind everywhere. But then He says that this is just the *beginning *of the birthpangs of the “age to come” - the final period.

It does not seem that God will base His judgment or the 2nd Coming on whether or not the sun will blow up or not, or that the earth will not sustain life anymore. Although it is interesting to try to equate the two, I don’t think this would be relevent.**
 
When we stop and think about it, does it really matter what we think. Jesus himself said of the end of time, “Only the Father knows, not even the Son.” We are even unable to understand this because Jesus also said, “The Father and I are one”. We even pray in the creed, “One in being with the Father”. Simply stated, we cannot understand the infinite. All else is speculation.
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Deacon Ed B
 
In a 100 years we have come from first flight to landing on the moon and probably Mars in the next 20 years so it seems pretty obvious to me that the human race will have spread to other parts of the universe (hence spreading the faith) in the coming millions of years never mind billions.

However, what difference does it make anyway? Christ told us we do not know the hour and the day so we should always be ready.

**The problem with colonising other planets is that it would involve spreading human sinfulness. We’ve polluted & perverted this world as it is: is it really desirable to pollute other worlds with human vileness too ? ****IMHO, the whole that the human race can or should colonise other worlds is a snare and a delusion. **​

**As for such a thing’s being “obvious” - this takes for granted that we don’t go through another Dark Age instead; as happened in the decay of the Roman Empire after the 5th century. ISTM we are entering one now. **
 

**The problem with colonising other planets is that it would involve spreading human sinfulness. We’ve polluted & perverted this world as it is: is it really desirable to pollute other worlds with human vileness too ? ****IMHO, the whole that the human race can or should colonise other worlds is a snare and a delusion. **​

**As for such a thing’s being “obvious” - this takes for granted that we don’t go through another Dark Age instead; as happened in the decay of the Roman Empire after the 5th century. ISTM we are entering one now. **
Did it ever occur to you that as we colonize other worlds, the Church would be there too? It would be our cosmic mission to “go, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” We might spread human vileness, but we would also be bringing God’s grace and salvation. Think about it.
 
**The problem with colonising other planets is that it would involve spreading human sinfulness. We’ve polluted & perverted this world as it is: is it really desirable to pollute other worlds with human vileness too ? **IMHO, the whole that the human race can or should colonise other worlds is a snare and a delusion
You are of the opinion that the human race is a blight on the universe? That we should try to minimize our “damage” and hide in a corner? I have to strongly disagree on the grounds of the sancity of human life.

Worrying that humans will be bad for the universe is like worrying that a baby will be bad for a crib – the latter was made for the former.
 
Grace & Peace!
He also makes the point that modern civilization is unique in a different sort of way:Toynbee distinguished 21 great civilizations in human history, of which ours is the latest. Every one of them admitted the Tao, objective moral truths. Ours is the first civilization to deny the Tao. The most radically new feature of our civilization is not technology, its newly powerful means, but the lack of an end, a summum bonum. We are the first civilization that does not know why we exist.Still, if one reads to the end, he does give some reasons for hope.
I think in this discussion that it’s important not to confuse the end of Western Civilization with the End of the World unless one is clear that one is metaphorically conflating one’s own civilization with the entirety of the world.

Civilizations end. The Aztec civilization ended. The Mayan ended. The Egyptian ended. The Greco-Roman/Classical ended. They all end. Ours, too, will end. In the Spenglerian historical sense (which is not so far from the Toynbee sense), the guiding principle of Western or Faustian civilization has been the striving towards infinite space. No other culture has grappled with the infinite in the ways we do–infinite number series, infinite space, quantum physics, string theory. Kreeft suggests that our culture has not defined an end or summum bonum for itself. He’s quite wrong, actually, though the truth of the matter is not necessarily any more heartening–we wish to be endless. Our end is endlessness. Our particular technological gifts have given us the ability to partially achieve the goal–we can represent, extend, and perpetuate ourselves in an infinite number of variations and configurations through the media, through our commitment to virtuality, through the global movement of capital, through brand identification and mass production. The same culture which gave birth to the Gothic Cathedral and its infinite upward striving has given birth to the “Desert of the Real” of Baudrillard–the endless simulacrum. The cathedral and the desert are two sides of the same cultural coin; perhaps the conversion of the former into the latter has to do with mistaking the indefinite for the infinite.

Anyway: Western civilization is dying. It has been for a couple hundred years. Using Spengler’s cyclical model, we’re in a new imperial age during the bitterest winter of our culture. There will be no spring for us. Our civilization will implode (like the Classical, like the Aztec, etc.) and another will take its place. That’s the way the horrible wheels of history turn.

I suppose my point is this: we should not confuse the end of our civilization with the end of the world, otherwise we risk confusing the Second Coming with a historical event–that is, an event subject to the laws and exigencies of history. The Second Coming is the completion of the work of the Incarnation, and while it is true that the Incarnation occurred in time, it represented the rupturing of history–the movement of eternity into the field of time, the opening of history to eternity to accomplish the redemption of history. The Second Coming is the completion of that gesture.

While our civilization is important, so is every other civilization. Is our end sad or worrisome? Sure it is. Is it cause for universal or cosmic alarm? Only if we confuse our historical moment with the entire process of history.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
why not believe in the word of god when it sais satan will have been prisoner for 1,000 years before he is realesed that i believe and there for no that the end of the world cant be for 1,000 years

TRY AGAIN DIDNT WORK THIS TIME
 
Originally Posted by **Gottle of Geer **
The problem with colonising other planets is that it would involve spreading human sinfulness. We’ve polluted & perverted this world as it is: is it really desirable to pollute other worlds with human vileness too ? IMHO, the whole that the human race can or should colonise other worlds is a snare and a delusion.

**If that is the case, then the Gospel should never have been proclaimed to the whole world because those doing the proclaiming are sinners. You seem to forget that all - ALL - of the apostles were sinners; yet, they were able to heal the sick, forgive sins, and bring the dead back to life - even Judas. **
 
I understand that the sun is a star which contains or is made up of helium and hydrogen (wikipedia), and that its full of vast amounts of energy. And that when it starts to die it will start to expand so much that the inner planets will be completely obliterated.

So do you think judgement or the “end of time” will occur before the sun expands so much that the earth will be completely destroyed?

Or will that event be the end of time for the human race? Is there another event that is predicted to cause the end of human life before the sun does such as an ice age?
Most cleverly worded, indeed. Tell me…when do scientists think the sun will start dying out? I taught World Geography for years and never encountered an estimated date.🙂
 
Most cleverly worded, indeed. Tell me…when do scientists think the sun will start dying out? I taught World Geography for years and never encountered an estimated date.🙂
From what I have read, we are about halfway between it’s 8-10 billion year life. So 4 to 5 billion years to go.
 
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