Do you think the organization Roman Catholic Faithful (RCF) is good for the Church?

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We have engaged in a discussion about Roman Catholic Fathiful (RCF) established by Stephen Brady of suburban Springfield, Illinois. Does it have value for the Church? Does it do more harm than good?

What do you think?

John
 
John Higgins:
We have engaged in a discussion about Roman Catholic Fathiful (RCF) established by Stephen Brady. Does it have value for the Church? Does it do more harm than good?

What do you think?

John
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What exactly is this?
 
They seem orthodox from what I have read on that site(I have only read the “before you explore any other pages on our site”). I think that it can be good to question the bishops if they are going against what is understood of the faith. The bishops are the leaders of the Church and they have authority, but that does not mean that we just accept everything blindly. If they are not leading the Church as true shepheards then they should be questioned.
 
Thank you
I have just read thier site and I agree with them.
I actually want to find out how to start something similar here in Melbourne.
We have an Archbishop who is dismissing all the orthodox priests, teachers and lay leaders and replacing them with old and tired liberals.
Bring it on!!!
We as laity do have a responsibility to alert those in authority of abuses and unCatholic actions taken by our sheperds
God Bless
 
I have heard of this organization before. Although they sound good, they tend to come off like “ambulance chasers” or “class-acttion lawyers”. They openly solicit information about bishops that they are gunning for. I do not know how thouroughly they investigate allegations against their targets, but I know they have run afoul with some diocese (Albany comes immediately to mind).

If they do not turn into a vigilante organization, they may do some good. However, from reading their web site, I have some doubts that this will not be the case.

PF
 
There is so much information on this site. It is sad to read of all the transgressions. I don’t know how I feel about doing so. Yet I believe it will stgrengthen our church when it is purged of the unfaithful leaders.
 
So let’s see here John.

RCF:
  • Exposes sex rings involving religious.
  • Defends the rights of victims abused by those same religious.
  • Attempts to contact/communicate with the hierarchy on matters which have not been heard about or acted upon by same.
  • Reveals false teachers/heretics that exist within the Church.
  • Organizes faithful Catholics to eliminate/reduce heterodox behavior from within their own dioceses.
So what’s not to like?
 
An organization like this seems a good thing for y’all. However RCF seems a tad tabloidesque, a bit inflammatory, and not at all willing to give benefit of the doubt. I saw one posting in which a clergyman was castigated for calling the Gospels ‘not history’ or some such thing–which is technically true, but does NOT impugn the historicity or accuracy of the Gospels. The clergyman was clearly using the word ‘history’ in a technical sense, and was not saying that the Gospels were myths, which is what the RCF wished to imply was being said. My sense in reviewing the website is that it’s attacks abound in erroneous information of this sort. If they could take rather more care in what they charge; nuance their rhetoric a bit more; and spend a bit more time in the ‘discovery’ process, making certain their facts are accurate this could be a good thing.
 
I have often said that the only worst than letting the Bishops run the Church would be to let the Laity run the Church!
 
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An organization like this seems a good thing for y’all.
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"… a good thing for y’all".
Are you Catholic flame?
However RCF seems a tad tabloidesque … I saw one posting in which a clergyman was castigated for calling the Gospels ‘not history’ or some such thing–which is technically true, but does NOT impugn the historicity or accuracy of the Gospels.
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Calling the sacred books “not history” can in fact lead many people down the road of false biblical exegesis which would erroneously teach that no history exists in the sacred texts.
The clergyman was clearly using the word ‘history’ in a technical sense
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The “clergyman” that you speak of is a Catholic bishop flame. Please do not leave out the important details.

If you had provided us with the greater portion of that article, people would have seen where you were clearly off the mark on this one, and that RCF was dead on the money (as usual).

rcf.org/docs/busybishop.htm
Bishop McGrath did find time to write an Op-Ed piece in the San Jose Mercury News,
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a week before the release of the Mel Gibson blockbuster, The Passion of the Christ… The article was entitled, It’s*** a Movie, not History***

***But, Catholics became even more enraged when Bishop McGrath took things a step further. In his opening remarks, he wrote: ***
"While the primary source material of the film is attributed to the four gospels, these sacred books are not historical accounts of the historical events that they narrate. They are theological reflections upon the events that form the core of Christian faith and belief."
******So, when you responded with:
The clergyman was clearly using the word ‘history’ in a technical sense, and was not saying that the Gospels were myths, which is what the RCF wished to imply was being said.
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You were wrong flame. And clearly so.

When the “bishop” had called the sacred books “theological relections”, he thereby refutes your own claim that “he wasn’t using history in a technical sense”.

Because in believing that the sacred books are merely “theological reflections”, then there is no room for a real historcial sense to exist.

Put another way flame:

If the Sacred Books = “theological reflections”

then …

“theological reflections” cannot = historical texts

So RCF was absolutely and totally justified in their criticism of the bishop’s statement.

Time to go back to school and re-learn your faith, dear bishop …
 
John Higgins:
Here’s the link to RCF:

RCF

John
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This looks like a witch hunt! :bigyikes: If you look long enough, even a Saint can look like a sinner…Hey…most Saints WERE sinners!!!

So again, I say - Looks like a witch hunt. There are bad priests, religious, Bishops, nuns etc. Christ will always protect His Church.

God Bless,
Donna
 
Donna
This looks like a witch hunt! :bigyikes: If you look long enough, even a Saint can look like a sinner…Hey…most Saints WERE sinners!!!

So again, I say - Looks like a witch hunt. There are bad priests, religious, Bishops, nuns etc. Christ will always protect His Church.
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There’s quite a bit of a misdirection involved with your statement there Donna.

A “witch hunt” implies the seeking out of someone, regardless of whether or not they might have actually been guilty of any crime.

Seeing that you might have missed what was actually posted on the RCF web site, I’ll kindly tell you that RCF was/is bringing to the attention of the authorities and the public, information about those of whom that they had obtained serious proof of their actions.

So which of the scenarios below would you rather see happen then Donna?

A. That those religious who have committed offenses against God, Church, and our very own children should be stopped dead in their tracks.

or

B. That instead, people should place their heads in the ground like an ostrich, all the while ignoring what’s going on in the world around them - while at the same time those religious are allowed to go on and continually rape and attack your children, our faith, our God - and each other.

So I’m waiting Donna …

What’s your answer?
 
FF,

How many innocent people get caught in his net? Seems like a witch hunt to me too.

John
 
John HigginsFF,

How many innocent people get caught in his net? Seems like a witch hunt to me too.

John
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You make no real sense here John. Even if what you said is true (read my comment below for my disopute of that claim) then according to you “reasoning”, we would then have to eliminate the entire Judicial System. Because as we all know, they have made mistakes and sent people to prison - or even death.

That type of illogical thinking aside John, and to reiterate, RCF has only sought after those of whom that they have had mounds of evidence against. Serious evidence.

So please, thoroughly read through some of their cases first before you make such an underhanded comment as the one that you had supplied us with above.

Be not the ostrich John.

Be not the ostrich …
 
There are so many good sound and experienced lay groups, like Catholics United for the Faith (CUF)to support.
 
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FiremanFrank:
So which of the scenarios below would you rather see happen then Donna?

A. That those religious who have committed offenses against God, Church, and our very own children should be stopped dead in their tracks.

or

B. That instead, people should place their heads in the ground like an ostrich, all the while ignoring what’s going on in the world around them - while at the same time those religious are allowed to go on and continually rape and attack your children, our faith, our God - and each other.

So I’m waiting Donna …

What’s your answer?
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But why does it necessarily have to be taken to such extreme as “sticking our heads in the sand” and the kind of abrasice approach RCF uses? Isn’t there a healthier middle ground?
 
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