Do you think this is appropriate behaviour?

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Don’t you think we are turning a corner in some places though? I mean, the extraordinary form of the mass is now allowed to be said whenever, The church has made a point to put into place policies that will reign in the abuses…I think that whatever foul influences are present will be curbed if not eradicated over the next 50 years, but then I live in a more conservative area, St. Louis, so take that for what its worth.
 
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In case you didn’t read the link I posted…here is the “meat” of the document…

It is, therefore, permissible to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Mass following the typical edition of the Roman Missal promulgated by Bl. John XXIII in 1962 and never abrogated, as an extraordinary form of the Liturgy of the Church. The conditions for the use of this Missal as laid down by earlier documents ‘Quattuor abhinc annis’ and ‘Ecclesia Dei,’ are substituted as follows:

Art. 2. In Masses celebrated without the people, each Catholic priest of the Latin rite, whether secular or regular, may use the Roman Missal published by Bl. Pope John XXIII in 1962, or the Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970, and may do so on any day with the exception of the Easter Triduum. For such celebrations, with either one Missal or the other, the priest has no need for permission from the Apostolic See or from his Ordinary.

Art. 3. Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life, of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or “community” celebration in their oratories, may do so. If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to undertake such celebrations often, habitually or permanently, the decision must be taken by the Superiors Major, in accordance with the law and following their own specific decrees and statues.

Art. 4. Celebrations of Mass as mentioned above in art. 2 may - observing all the norms of law - also be attended by faithful who, of their own free will, ask to be admitted.

Art. 5. § 1 In parishes, where there is a stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition, the pastor should willingly accept their requests to celebrate the Mass according to the rite of the Roman Missal published in 1962, and ensure that the welfare of these faithful harmonises with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the guidance of the bishop in accordance with canon 392, avoiding discord and favouring the unity of the whole Church.

§ 2 Celebration in accordance with the Missal of Bl. John XXIII may take place on working days; while on Sundays and feast days one such celebration may also be held.

§ 3 For faithful and priests who request it, the pastor should also allow celebrations in this extraordinary form for special circumstances such as marriages, funerals or occasional celebrations, e.g. pilgrimages.

So even if the priests where you are are not following this, it is nonetheless the permissible to say the old mass; and if you request it and have others who also want to do it the priest should comply with offering one such old mass. If not, that’s a matter to take up with your bishop.

Pax!
 
BlaineTog said:
Come now, clowns are hardly the only sinners who call themselves Catholic.

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I don;t know what your point is. The question concerns whether or not certain behavior is appropriate in a Catholic Church. When you have clowns at a Mass what does this mean except that clowning and joking around are appropriate behavior in Church?
 
Neal said:
So even if the priests where you are are not following this, it is nonetheless the permissible to say the old mass; and if you request it and have others who also want to do it the priest should comply with offering one such old mass. If not, that’s a matter to take up with your bishop. !
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That’s all very nice in thoery, but still, I don;t see where there is scheduled a Latin Mass at the Cathedral in LA.
 
bobzills said:
I don;t know what your point is. The question concerns whether or not certain behavior is appropriate in a Catholic Church. When you have clowns at a Mass what does this mean except that clowning and joking around are appropriate behavior in Church?
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Or that circus performers need salvation just like the rest of us…

Sorry, I was trying to make a small joke.
 
bobzills said:
That’s all very nice in thoery, but still, I don;t see where there is scheduled a Latin Mass at the Cathedral in LA.
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You are missing my point, I mean, the letter only came out a year ago, things in the church take time; my point is we are turning a corner, starting to eliminate the clerical abuses and returning sanctity. Again, we have this already in many parishes in STL, my own home parish offers a latin mass on fridays, might take longer for y’all on the coast. It will take time, but I am optimistic. I know when I’m a priest I hope to have at least one old mass a week on sunday, in addition to a couple of Paul VI masses, give the people the old and the new.
 
BlaineTog said:
Sorry, I was trying to make a small joke.
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Yes, many people are joking around these days when it comes to appropriate behaviour in Church. This joking around is now considered appropriate whereas in the past it was not appropriate.
 
bobzills said:
At our Church, after the Mass, the priest asked everyone to stay and he pulled up a chair in front of the altar and began to discuss the sad state of the Church’s finances, and asked for suggestions on how to bring in more money to the Church.
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Our Monsignor retired this year after 26 years service, he did bring in a “draw” which was only supposed to run short term, 1 year, 15 years on it’s still going.

It costs a £1 and you can win £1000, £100, £100, and at Christmas 5 separate draws of £5000.

Anyway I don’t remember him discussing it in Church, it seems to work well with willing parishioners going to those who subscribe and collecting the £1 fee.

If someone wins, that ticket seller receives £100, and we have had our Church restored, so it does make up for shortfalls in the collection.
CentralFLJames said:
I don’t like the church being used as anything other than for the celebration of the mass or benedictions or sacraments and devotionals (adoration).

However, there has been an ever increasing escalation of encroachments on the sanctity and holiness of the church for things related to “reasonable” elleastical preparation. For example we often have the choirs and musicians come into the church in the evenings to practise. We have wedding rehearsals with people who are not even Catholic (and lots of photographers are very rude) walking about like they own the place talking at the top of their voice while people are praying or trying to go to confession. It’s even worse after a wedding and I have seen photographers lay their gear on the altar and start directing people while everyone is clowning around and laughing.
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Sounds like you’ve been to my Church, the noise and disrespect is a joke if it wasn’t so serious.
ricko said:
It sounds like Grand Central Station inside the church. If you see behaviour like this, let your voice be heard.
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Oh I did let my voice be heard, but low key, and said "the Altar is for the Sacrifice of the Mass, and I don’t think what yous are doing is appropriate ", then I genuflected to the Tabernacle and went my way.

I wasn’t rude but inside I was very angry.
grandfather said:
The inside of a Church and the sanctuary are supposed to be sacred space, reserved for sacred activity. Somehow I suspect that everyone instinctively knows what sacred activity is and is not. There are many in the time we live in who feel a need to mix the sacred and the profane.
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Yes, like some of the young women folk, and some who never grow old, like our female reader with a split up her dress like someone ripped it, and her cleavage popping out.

I don’t know, since the clergy won’t speak up I guess someone has too.

I was going to send that woman a letter and ask her "do you think it’s ok to go up and read like someone dressed from a top shelf magazine " ?

If I see her again I may well do.
Christy_Beth said:
There were many liberties taken after Vatican II. From what I’ve been seeing and hearing, some of that is being reined in.
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Sooner the better.
Neal said:
no its not appropriate and when I’m ordained I will not tolerate it.
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I hope so, 👍 35 years ago when we had Sunday night 7pm Mass, we had the hangers on outside and the talkers inside.

Fr Joseph Mullen stood up and said, “people come in here and treat this place like a market, and to all you people standing outside, can you please go home.” I always liked his plain speaking.
 
BlaineTog said:
Come now, clowns are hardly the only sinners who call themselves Catholic.

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Seriously though clowns at Mass, that’s blasphemy ! what next high flying trapeze artists, or should I have pulled up a few stools around the Altar and let them play poker ?

If anyone wants to see clowns then go-to a circus, and if they want dance go-to a disco, or some smokey saloon, there is a time and place for everything, and those things are a mockery at Mass.

I’m not saying you sanction clowns, don’t get me wrong… oh boy I need to go for a walk away from this PC and cool my Irish temper down.
 
hawkeye said:
Seriously though clowns at Mass, that’s blasphemy ! what next high flying trapeze artists, or should I have pulled up a few stools around the Altar and let them play poker ?

If anyone wants to see clowns then go-to a circus, and if they want dance go-to a disco, or some smokey saloon, there is a time and place for everything, and those things are a mockery at Mass.

I’m not saying you sanction clowns, don’t get me wrong… oh boy I need to go for a walk away from this PC and cool my Irish temper down.
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Correct. When the Catholic clergy have clowns participating at the altar of a Catholic Mass, then does that not raise questions concerning appropriate behavior at Mass?
 
out of curiosity, how prevalent are these things, the clowns and the like, I’ve never seen them and I’ve only seen a few photos on some sedevaconist garbage posted out there, so has anyone seen this? Does it actually go on? and are such priests in communion with the Holy See?
 
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