Do you think we will go back again to chant?

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I was speaking with one of our people in charge of music for the liturgy and she said she thinks it might be coming

How do you feel about it? I rather like the idea
 
It’s all a question of degree. I think we’ll definitely be hearing more chant in more parishes. I get the sense that a lot of scholas are starting up. I also get the sense that the grass roots energy today is in the chant/polyphony camp. It’s NEW and EXCITING 🙂 as compared with the stale competition. And it also offers the possibility of much stronger participation since a parish can sing the same Ordinary week after week until they own it.
 
There’s nothing stopping your parish’s music director from bringing chant to your parish. Make sure it’s done pastorally, of course, teaching the congregation how to make the responses and what they mean. Use simple tones.

And yes, it’s coming back. 🙂
 
It’s all a question of degree. I think we’ll definitely be hearing more chant in more parishes. I get the sense that a lot of scholas are starting up. I also get the sense that the grass roots energy today is in the chant/polyphony camp. It’s NEW and EXCITING 🙂 as compared with the stale competition. And it also offers the possibility of much stronger participation since a parish can sing the same Ordinary week after week until they own it.
I don’t know about the “new” and “exciting” part, except that chant belongs to that collection of music that does not so easily tire the ear with repetition. Some of it was not written with congregational singing in mind, though.

I think we’ll be hearing more chant, but I don’t think it will replace music that, to be blunt, gives the impression that it can be lead by less-accomplished musicians. There are a lot of parishes where the less-accomplished musicians are greatly appreciated as an alternative to no musicians at all. A lot of Catholics like to hear a capella, but aren’t up for singing it themselves!
 
It isn’t just acapella songs that people don’t sing well…I have a very nice lady that sets near me at mass

She has a terrible voice, but God bless her, she sings like she was a star…you have to admire people giving their all ,even if it is not all that great …I have often admired her courage to belt them out like Ethel Merman, when she must know it sounds terrible
 
It isn’t just acapella songs that people don’t sing well…I have a very nice lady that sets near me at mass

She has a terrible voice, but God bless her, she sings like she was a star…you have to admire people giving their all ,even if it is not all that great …I have often admired her courage to belt them out like Ethel Merman, when she must know it sounds terrible
She probably has no idea that she is off-key, nor that she is being courageous.

God gives us brothers and sisters like that so that everyone else will sing louder. 😉
 
I was speaking with one of our people in charge of music for the liturgy and she said she thinks it might be coming

How do you feel about it? I rather like the idea
Amen! The priest who married us loves it and often has it, along with incense, bells and beautiful vestments for himself and all servers. It is glorious in its overall experience. So very reverent. It becomes a holy place.
 
I was speaking with one of our people in charge of music for the liturgy and she said she thinks it might be coming

How do you feel about it? I rather like the idea
It is definitely coming in my parish and eventually for the rest of the Archdiocese. Our new Director of Worship for the Archdiocese is working to implement it throughout the entire diocese. Our music director (also music director for the Archdiocesan masses) just bought the Graduale Simplex to use which contains more simple chants for the congregation and choirs which aren’t as musically adept. The DW pointed him to that direction of using this book for easier implementation. The chant propers will eventually become a must for all of our parishes through different workshops for all music directors and our parish’s model of use. Coincidentally, we already use chant in our masses at our parish and have been doing so for years. I will also need to get the book in order to learn all the propers especially for weddings and funerals, as they will also be working towards using them for those special masses.

Here are few sites you can now get the Simplex:

canticanova.com/catalog/products/g_graduale_s.htm

You can now even find it on Sheetmusicplus.com

sheetmusicplus.com/pages.html?cart=342805393614614658&target=smp_detail.html%26sku%3DGI.G-5393&s=pages-http%253A//www.google.com/search%253Fq%253DGraduale%252BSimplex%2526ie%253Dutf-8%2526oe%253Dutf-8%2526aq%253Dt%2526rls%253Dorg.mozilla%253Aen-US%253Aofficial%2526client%253Dfirefox-a&e=/sheetmusic/detail/GI.G-5393.html&t=&k=&r=wwws-err5

This is a cool site and it also directs you to a site to purchase the books:
cantemusdomino.net/2003/01/08/get-the-graduale-romanum-and-the-graduale-simplex/

Amazingly, you can also find it on OCP:
ocp.org/node/390

Also on GIA:
giamusic.com/sacred_music/chantbooks.cfm
 
The music director at my parish said she will retire rather than do Latin.

She’s a convert and has no idea about teaching Gregorian Chant, and says at her age, if forced, it will be time to retire.

Jim
 
The music director at my parish said she will retire rather than do Latin.

She’s a convert and has no idea about teaching Gregorian Chant, and says at her age, if forced, it will be time to retire.
Well that’s one way to accomplish the wishes of the Holy Father and the Bishop’s Synod. 🙂

Seriously, does she know that the Church calls for Gregorian chant to be given pride of place, that it is the song proper to the Roman liturgy? Is she willing to let knowledgeable volunteers, if they exist, help get chant going in the parish? If she doesn’t know it then obviously she can’t teach it. Then the question becomes, will she help those who can teach it, or will she stand in their way?
 
I was speaking with one of our people in charge of music for the liturgy and she said she thinks it might be coming

How do you feel about it? I rather like the idea
I think we should be open to whatever our bishop wants. And bringing some form back is not new only to those who never did. After all we all used to genuflect and those that didn’t so they can learn it and should try to understand why it was so important at one time. If you never learned how to ride a bike does that mean you should never learn? Chant can be beautiful and is really another form of communication like a prayer. We haven’t started yet but our director is more open.
 
We occasionally do chants at our parish, and while some of our deacons have less-than-perfect pitch, our priests don’t sing that badly.
 
We occasionally do chants at our parish, and while some of our deacons have less-than-perfect pitch, our priests don’t sing that badly.
There are some of our brothers that only become solists by virtue of their ordination. 😃
 
All I ask is that they print or do overheads of the words and MUSIC!

During the Mass at our parish on Saturday night, the priest did chant for the "The Lord Be With You, And also with you, Lift up your hearts, etc.

It was pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Yuck. Ick. Ugly.

No one knew it, and those few who knew what to do sang like typical Catholics–in a virtual whisper with their heads bowed into their bellies. Contemplative, perhaps? Fine, but it would have been nice to join in instead of standing there like fools.

If it’s going to be done, then DO IT WELL!!! Please!

And that means using those “Protestant” overheads (OMG!!! :bigyikes: Overheads!!!) and KEEP using them because once the current batch of converts knows the responses, new converts will move on in and they won’t know anything either. So stop assuming that people know these things or that they can pick them up by listening to others–not likely!

Or at least pass around copies of the words and music because apparently, most of us don’t KNOW these responses.

Another thing that would be helpful is if chant will be used, get a cantor who can either read the responses off the sheet or overhead and LEAD the congregation in the responses, or get a cantor who knows the responses without music, and can lead the rest of us.

I felt sorry for the poor cantor Sat. night, who I know is a convert. He just stood there, like the rest of us converts.

Show us the words and music, and we converts will sing along. Show us nothing, you’ll get nothing.

Sorry to sound crabby. If there’s one thing I hate, it’s being left out of the family “Traditions” and feeling like a fool, although I guess that’s good for me. Jesus was made to feel like a fool by His tormentors.
 
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Seriously, does she know that the Church calls for Gregorian chant to be given pride of place, that it is the song proper to the Roman liturgy?
Yes, but it doesn’t mean we HAVE to use Gregorian chant. Other forms of music are also acceptable.
Is she willing to let knowledgeable volunteers, if they exist, help get chant going in the parish?
If they exist, of course she’d more than welcome them to take over. Heck, I know she’s been playing for so long, she’d take any volunteer. However, Gregorian chant mandate, would push her over the edge.

Jim
 
I was speaking with one of our people in charge of music for the liturgy and she said she thinks it might be coming

How do you feel about it? I rather like the idea
Going back?

Chant is the norm in my parish.
 
Going back?

Chant is the norm in my parish.
This of course is the exception. The majority of parishes in the United States, don’t use Gregorian Chant. Heck, most don’t ring the bell during the consecration.

Jim
 
During the Mass at our parish on Saturday night, the priest did chant for the "The Lord Be With You, And also with you, Lift up your hearts, etc.

It was pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Yuck. Ick. Ugly.
Yeah, we had a visiting priest (one of our nearby Vincentians) do this on Easter… with similar results. He chanted the Collect and the people barely knew how to respond “Amen”. He chanted the Prayer over the Offerings with similar results. He mercifully refrained from chanting the Preface dialog (the part you mentioned above). I mentioned it to him after Mass and he said he was a bit surprised no one knew how to respond!
Show us the words and music, and we converts will sing along.
This self-deprecating “convert” false dichotomy is a bit depressing to read over and over again. Cradle Catholics and converts are, generally speaking, unfamiliar with chant to the same degree.
 
Yes, but it doesn’t mean we HAVE to use Gregorian chant. Other forms of music are also acceptable.
Chant should get its fair share of use; that is, its “pride of place” should be honored. How unfair it is to the musical treasure and heritage of the Church to simply ignore centuries and centuries of Her music!
 
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