Do You Wear the Scapular?

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Trad_Catholic27 said:
Yes I do wear it and the only time I take it off is when I take a bath.

I would like to know is it a sin to take off our Scapular if we get an X ray?
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I wear mine in the bath, but it is not a sin to take off your Scapular, you are not compelled to even wear it so how can not wearing it be a sin? Even those enrolled do not make a pledge to never take it off.
 
SilverAvenger said:
I wear it permanently since 14th November 2014.

How I got to use the scapular:

I kept stumbling upon it online, reading stuff about it, and such. I decided to get invested with it, but I just didn’t found anyone who sold scapulars in Portugal, and my mom is anti-religion, so ordering online was a no-no. Then I dreamnt with St John Paul II, my dad’s Patron Saint, in front of a church in Lisbon. He told me to make one myself, since I couldn’t find one for sale, and go there. Now, I made it, and atempted to be invested in other churches, but the priests either didn’t knew what that was, or blantlantly told me to my face that it was superstition and refused. So I ended up following the dream and got invested. A week later, there I was again, offering two scapulars I made to the statue of Mary, Mother of Carmel from that church, whose scapulars are constantly being stolen.

I wear them constantly until they fall apart. Then I make a new one and burn the old.
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Thank you for sharing that!
 
SilverAvenger said:
Ohh! I saw those ones online. They don’t sell them here. Only in Fatima you can find scapulars, and they’re almost umbearable to wear. One strap is always twice as long as the other and the model that has them matching, has them so lenthy that one end rests in the middle of your back and the other rests on your belly button 😦 we wear them for Mary, not for penance, and the mess they make is more like penance…not to mention that sleeping with those is a choking hazard.
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I guess when you are able to, you can order them. 🙂

It’s so unusual that of all places, it’s hard to find a good scapular (except yours) in Portugal.
 
CatholicFireman said:
I guess when you are able to, you can order them. 🙂

It’s so unusual that of all places, it’s hard to find a good scapular (except yours) in Portugal.
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Yeah, but I’m talking about Lisbon in particular. There are only two stores that sell the felt ones, which have that issue, and both get them from the same supplier. Then there’s a third place who has them with paper print, which dissoves if you catch rain. I had forgot about those. Portuguise people don’t use scapulars…it’s seen as too tradictionalist and tradictionalists are seen as uninteligent people sighs

For a reason you can’t find the Extraordinary Rite here either.
 
SilverAvenger said:
I wear it permanently since 14th November 2014.

How I got to use the scapular:

I kept stumbling upon it online, reading stuff about it, and such. I decided to get invested with it, but I just didn’t found anyone who sold scapulars in Portugal, and my mom is anti-religion, so ordering online was a no-no. Then I dreamnt with St John Paul II, my dad’s Patron Saint, in front of a church in Lisbon. He told me to make one myself, since I couldn’t find one for sale, and go there. Now, I made it, and atempted to be invested in other churches, but the priests either didn’t knew what that was, **or blantlantly told me to my face that it was superstition and refused. **So I ended up following the dream and got invested. A week later, there I was again, offering two scapulars I made to the statue of Mary, Mother of Carmel from that church, whose scapulars are constantly being stolen.

I wear them constantly until they fall apart. Then I make a new one and burn the old.
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If a priest ever said something like that to me about the brown scapular, oh boy would he be in for a serious tongue lashing. A devotional sacremental to the Holy Virgin superstious… he needs a good smack and some serious time spent in prayer. :mad:
 
Mystrx said:
If a priest ever said something like that to me about the brown scapular, oh boy would he be in for a serious tongue lashing. A devotional sacremental to the Holy Virgin superstious… he needs a good smack and some serious time spent in prayer. :mad:
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I just turned my back and found an other priest. Lucky, in downtown Lisbon, we have many beautifull churches, and all of them have at least one Priest in there at all times.
 
I know very well that wearing the Brown Scapular is not going to save me but always reminds us of the importance of living a holy life by the example of Our Lady
 
I have a few scapular stories.

I joined OCDS in 1989 and enrolled in the (small) brown scapular (I had to tell our parish priest that the ceremony was in his book and he did find it and enrolled me), and then after some formation I received my larger scapular with IHS and BVM lettering to be worn at OCDS meetings & retreats, etc.

At the time (at least in my area) there was only one larger scapular and it was (I found out later) an O.Carm. scapular. Eventually someone in another OCDS community in my area found that out, and at their next retreat they all wore their scapulars inside out, without the IHS or BVM lettering visible (since our group was small, we often joined with their retreats). I continued to wear mine as always . Since it was a silent retreat I couldn’t ask why until Sunday lunch, when we could talk. They said it was because their scapulars were O.Carm. and not OCDS – and I guess they thought wearing them inside out, showing only plain brown sides somehow made the “not O.Carm.”

My OCDS president couldn’t go that year, so I told her what happened and asked if we should wear them inside out. She said it is the same scapular – they are all the same scapular; there are no different brown scapulars. So our group continued to wear them as always.

When I moved way far away and joined another community (just getting started), they had various different scapulars, but made no comments about mine. They then started making their scapulars for new members (large plain brown scapulars), and then later started getting what I guess is the OCDS scapulars for them. Sometime over the years OCDS had started coming out with their own model I guess.

I continued to wear the one I always had.

Then we had a retreat with a psychologically disturbed woman conducting it. She hadn’t been so bad some years earlier, but I even felt then she was off-track re Carmelite spirituality, getting into her visions, etc. I guess I should have objected to having her a 2nd time.

In the middle of one of her talks she singled me out and said I was O.Carm. I denied it, but she persisted almost with venom, but I didn’t have time or energy to get into the convoluted story of how I came to wear what was now considered an O.Carm. scapular. Luckily our spiritual assistant priest, who attended the retreat to say Mass for us, also had problems with her, so our community decided not to have her again.

Just this month some very new members commented that my scapular was different. I just told them that there was only one brown scapular, so in fact it was not different.

BTW, I have absolutely nothing against the O.Carms. In fact I love them, especially their Carmelite NGO (carmelitengo.org/). They are great.
 
lynnvinc said:
I have a few scapular stories.

I joined OCDS in 1989 and enrolled in the (small) brown scapular (I had to tell our parish priest that the ceremony was in his book and he did find it and enrolled me), and then after some formation I received my larger scapular with IHS and BVM lettering to be worn at OCDS meetings & retreats, etc.

At the time (at least in my area) there was only one larger scapular and it was (I found out later) an O.Carm. scapular. Eventually someone in another OCDS community in my area found that out, and at their next retreat they all wore their scapulars inside out, without the IHS or BVM lettering visible (since our group was small, we often joined with their retreats). I continued to wear mine as always . Since it was a silent retreat I couldn’t ask why until Sunday lunch, when we could talk. They said it was because their scapulars were O.Carm. and not OCDS – and I guess they thought wearing them inside out, showing only plain brown sides somehow made the “not O.Carm.”

My OCDS president couldn’t go that year, so I told her what happened and asked if we should wear them inside out. She said it is the same scapular – they are all the same scapular; there are no different brown scapulars. So our group continued to wear them as always.

When I moved way far away and joined another community (just getting started), they had various different scapulars, but made no comments about mine. They then started making their scapulars for new members (large plain brown scapulars), and then later started getting what I guess is the OCDS scapulars for them. Sometime over the years OCDS had started coming out with their own model I guess.

I continued to wear the one I always had.

Then we had a retreat with a psychologically disturbed woman conducting it. She hadn’t been so bad some years earlier, but I even felt then she was off-track re Carmelite spirituality, getting into her visions, etc. I guess I should have objected to having her a 2nd time.

In the middle of one of her talks she singled me out and said I was O.Carm. I denied it, but she persisted almost with venom, but I didn’t have time or energy to get into the convoluted story of how I came to wear what was now considered an O.Carm. scapular. Luckily our spiritual assistant priest, who attended the retreat to say Mass for us, also had problems with her, so our community decided not to have her again.

Just this month some very new members commented that my scapular was different. I just told them that there was only one brown scapular, so in fact it was not different.

BTW, I have absolutely nothing against the O.Carms. In fact I love them, especially their Carmelite NGO (carmelitengo.org/). They are great.
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Interesting stories! I am a Third Order Lay Carmelite, (O.Carm., for those who don’t know that), and we have had several retreats with Secular Carmelites (O.C.D.). They were wonderful retreats! I did notice that many of them had embroidery on their ceremonial scapulars, BVM in front, and IHS in back.

Peace in Carmel,

Dorothy
 
Your results will be skewed since you are asking on a tradition forum.
 
Dorothy said:
Interesting stories! I am a Third Order Lay Carmelite, (O.Carm., for those who don’t know that), and we have had several retreats with Secular Carmelites (O.C.D.). They were wonderful retreats! I did notice that many of them had embroidery on their ceremonial scapulars, BVM in front, and IHS in back.

Peace in Carmel,

Dorothy
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I didn’t think there was a distinction between O.Carm and OCD embroidery.

But then, the joint catechism did say that the ideal scapular is just plain brown cloth, or perhaps with a small cross at the most. These pictures and embroidery serve to further the disconnect between the abbreviated scapular and the Carmelite habit.
 
porthos11 said:
I didn’t think there was a distinction between O.Carm and OCD embroidery.

But then, the joint catechism did say that the ideal scapular is just plain brown cloth, or perhaps with a small cross at the most. These pictures and embroidery serve to further the disconnect between the abbreviated scapular and the Carmelite habit.
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I agree that the plain Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is the most appropriate. I am talking about the “habit” that Lay Carmelites, (O. Carm.) and Secular Carmelites (O.C.D.) wear at their meetings and other appropriate times. The plain habit best resembles the full habit.

The small Brown Scapular I wear under my clothing has a small cross on it.

(not sure if we were talking about the same thing.)
 
Dorothy said:
I agree that the plain Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is the most appropriate. I am talking about the “habit” that Lay Carmelites, (O. Carm.) and Secular Carmelites (O.C.D.) wear at their meetings and other appropriate times. The plain habit best resembles the full habit.

The small Brown Scapular I wear under my clothing has a small cross on it.

(not sure if we were talking about the same thing.)
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I was referring specifically to the scapular you were wearing when the lady exhibited her odd behaviour. I was just wondering because I thought the “large” scapulars and why the lady thought to call out an O.Carm vs. OCD distinction.
 
Mystrx said:
If a priest ever said something like that to me about the brown scapular, oh boy would he be in for a serious tongue lashing. A devotional sacremental to the Holy Virgin superstious… he needs a good smack and some serious time spent in prayer. :mad:
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I don’t think that would have helped. 🙂 Perhaps if someone shared their love for her and how she is truly a mother to us would help.
 
porthos11 said:
I was referring specifically to the scapular you were wearing when the lady exhibited her odd behaviour. I was just wondering because I thought the “large” scapulars and why the lady thought to call out an O.Carm vs. OCD distinction.
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You must have confused me with lynvinc, post #73. I just re-read this entire thread to find out where I mentioned a lady that exhibited odd behavior! 🙂
 
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