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Moonstruck888
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A hypothesis, to be valid, has to be testable in concordance with predictions that can be verified and falsified. God is not a hypothesis, it’s an untestable assertion.
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MaryTeresa2
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Not to any of us who have seen, heard, felt and experienced HIM! But… you’d have to be open to that… He’s here or you would not be. Even the unbelievers will know the Truth on their final day.
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Moonstruck888
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You’ve seen him? What height was he? What colour was he?
You’ve heard him? Did he speak in a booming basso? English? Aramaic? Israeli accent?
You’ve felt him… As a mortal approaching middle age, I’m not sure I could compete.
What does this, any of this, have to do with the definition of a valid hypothesis…
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Moonstruck
You are aptly named, stuck on the barren moon of scientism.
“Those who say that the study of science makes a man an atheist must be rather silly.” Max Born, Quantum Physicist
You are aptly named, stuck on the barren moon of scientism.
“Those who say that the study of science makes a man an atheist must be rather silly.” Max Born, Quantum Physicist
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Moonstruck888
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I was an atheist before I’d ever heard of science, and to this day I still have no idea what scientism is, assuming it’s a real word.
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MaryTeresa2
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YOU WOULDN’T HAVE A CLUE!!! Your mindset will obviously not encompass the concept of seeing, hearing, feeling with the Soul, the Spirit. Unless you have heard the voice and how it comes to you, there is no earthly description that you would understand or accept.You’ve seen him? What height was he? What colour was he?
You’ve heard him? Did he speak in a booming basso? English? Aramaic? Israeli accent?
You’ve felt him… As a mortal approaching middle age, I’m not sure I could compete.
What does this, any of this, have to do with the definition of a valid hypothesis…
But humour me… go to my post #57 and please give me some sort of answer to just the basic question I pose there, if you would be so willing. I ask in all seriousness. And one question I missed on there… why do some folks come with such a BIG BOLD, dare I say arrogant, egoic… ??? Attitude? Humility is the greater teacher.
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Moonstruck888
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No no, not at all. Not a bit of it. I’ll go to post #57, by golly, when you’ve answered my perfectly succinct questions on your observations that you made during your conference with God.
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MaryTeresa2
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Definitions of hypothesis on the Web:
a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations
a tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; “a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory”; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in …
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a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations
a tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; “a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory”; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in …
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Moonstruck888
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In fairness to myself, I’m not the one using BIG BOLD unsupported and unsubstantiated (in the scientific way, not in terms of transubstantiation) assertions.
I will go to post #57 when you explain this apparently indefensible position your adopting and why you are defending it…
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Moonstruck888
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Yes i can see the problem when ones understanding extends to common dictionary definitions…
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MaryTeresa2
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This deserves no response. Your own words convict you.
I have another concept I’ll guess you have never tried…
Humility
O Jesus! meek and humble of heart, Hear me.
From the desire of being esteemed,
Deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being loved…
From the desire of being extolled …
From the desire of being honored …
From the desire of being praised …
From the desire of being preferred to others…
From the desire of being consulted …
From the desire of being approved …
From the fear of being humiliated …
From the fear of being despised…
From the fear of suffering rebukes …
From the fear of being calumniated …
From the fear of being forgotten …
From the fear of being ridiculed …
From the fear of being wronged …
From the fear of being suspected …
That others may be loved more than I,
Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That others may be esteemed more than I …
That, in the opinion of the world,
others may increase and I may decrease …
That others may be chosen and I set aside …
That others may be praised and I unnoticed …
That others may be preferred to me in everything…
That others may become holier than I, provided that I may become as holy as I should…
Peace be with You
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Moonstruck888
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Congratualtions. You’ve proven that people have desires and fears.
Now, if we can get back to the supernatural?
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To be valid according to what criteria?
This dogma only works with that which is discoverable by the means available to us. I suppose, if you’re superstitious, you could deny empirical evidence beyond that, but I can’t see how you could present that as a reasonable argument for understanding rweality, unless you’re a real zealot.
To test something approaching an idea of God according to scientific criteria, you’d rather ludicrously be assuming he’d pitter patter through any makeshift hoops you’d expect him not to jump through :takeoff:
Of course, the fact that atheism still fails to have anything approaching the fairly ancient cosmological or teleological proofs of God to justify it only fails to enter the public consciousness because, er, why is that exactly, if the big nasty establishment is supposedly so Christian?
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Mystic_Banana
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:slapfight:
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MaryTeresa2
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I accuse you of nothing… you convict yourself…
Because it’s my name! What would I call myself? And what is wrong with my name?
I am nothing but His child and a sinner… as are we all. We shall all come to believe one day. Even Satan believes. We all came into the world the same way and will leave the same way. I am no better nor worse than you. Because I chose to believe and worship Him now is why He has revealed Himself and called me to be His servant in the ways that He has. He may be calling you, after all you are on a Catholic website are you not? Willingness is all that is required. If you chose not, then fine. But the truth will be revealed, belief or not. Many will not be pleased with the outcome.
But why the anger, the hostility? You came here, you entered the conversation. Did you not expect to meet those of us who defend our Faith? Those of us who know something that you don’t? Does that make you angry? You chose the limitation to your thinking. If it can’t be proven in the way you wish it to be then you say it is not so. I beg to differ with you. It’s been proven to me! I don’t go to atheist websites and argue my point of view.
I pray for you to be at peace and that you will keep an open mind. Peace be with you.
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Moonstruck888
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According to the criteria that the predictions made by a hypothesis must be able to be verified or falsified by experimental testing. As I’ve already stated.
No. The big nasty establishment won’t let science and theology be fudged in a public school arena because even the most hateful republican wing nut is aware that without competent scientists and engineers, the USA will be jeered at footnote in the history of how not to run a successful society with manufacturing, engineering, medicine and critifcal evaluation with scientific peer review in academia.Of course, the fact that atheism still fails to have anything approaching the fairly ancient cosmological or teleological proofs of God to justify it only fails to enter the public consciousness because, er, why is that exactly, if the big nasty establishment is supposedly so Christian?
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Moonstruck888
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Not in my lifetime we won’t.
I believe in my Dad too.
I’m not angry with you, and I’m not being hostile. I think you’re mistaken. I will robustly defend that position. Without me and people like me doing so, this forum would be pointless, not to mention boring. It is the clash of different ideologies that keeps it interesting and makes it work.
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MaryTeresa2
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And maybe it’s a coincidence or just luck that I have the name I do… and as you see I am an admirer of Mother Teresa. Was that were you got that notion of lacking humility due to my name?
I am not worthy to serve a glass of water to Mother Teresa but I do aspire to her ideals, the same ideals of Jesus and His Mother Mary. That’s what being a follower, a servant of God is all about.
None of us is worthy. Jesus paid a price that gave us the redemption between God and man. He gives us the graces to follow Him and promises to unite us with Him in Eternity.
What a wonderful gift, the only gift of lasting value. To not believe means it all ends the day you die. Eternity is a very long time my friend!
I am not worthy to serve a glass of water to Mother Teresa but I do aspire to her ideals, the same ideals of Jesus and His Mother Mary. That’s what being a follower, a servant of God is all about.
None of us is worthy. Jesus paid a price that gave us the redemption between God and man. He gives us the graces to follow Him and promises to unite us with Him in Eternity.
What a wonderful gift, the only gift of lasting value. To not believe means it all ends the day you die. Eternity is a very long time my friend!
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MaryTeresa2
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Pointless? Boring? This is what makes this forum work?
Surely you can’t be that obtuse?
And that clearly states your intent for being here, thank you!
The answer to post #57! Voila!
Look around you my friend, it is for the love of God and our Faith that this forum exists!
And the other side of that coin is… the reason I am not on an atheist website! That would be boring and pointless to me!
Again, the Peace of Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you always.
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