Does CNS (Catholic News Service) have a progressive bias?

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Alas, I thought CK Chesterton had killed the silly moniker “progressive” nearly a century ago in catholic circles, at least. Yet here it is. To steal shamelessly from Gilbert, the word progressive is one of those useless and exploitive terms that attempts to influence your position by its very inference (kinda like pro-choice). Who could be against progress? And yet, the problem is that the goals in mind and the means to acheive them are the real issues at hand. How can we determine if we are progressing, if we do not identify what we’d like to progress towards?

So lets not use such silly terms. ‘Liberal’ is even too vague anymore. How about ‘permissive’ to describe those who believe that Traditional catholic teachings are uneccessarily rigid? ‘Leftist’ for those who want to see more government intervention and control over the markets. Those are starter ideas, anyways.

Wouldn’t this be more honest?
 
Alas, I thought CK Chesterton had killed the silly moniker “progressive” nearly a century ago in catholic circles, at least. Yet here it is. To steal shamelessly from Gilbert, the word progressive is one of those useless and exploitive terms that attempts to influence your position by its very inference (kinda like pro-choice). Who could be against progress? And yet, the problem is that the goals in mind and the means to acheive them are the real issues at hand. How can we determine if we are progressing, if we do not identify what we’d like to progress towards?

So lets not use such silly terms. ‘Liberal’ is even too vague anymore. How about ‘permissive’ to describe those who believe that Traditional catholic teachings are uneccessarily rigid? ‘Leftist’ for those who want to see more government intervention and control over the markets. Those are starter ideas, anyways.

Wouldn’t this be more honest?
Oh, I think the idea behind word progressivism is still alive and well today. Hillaire Belloc wrote extensively on religious progressivism. See “The Great Heresies,” among other of his books. (We’re not talking about economic or political progressivism, which can be good things.)

There are several names synonymous with progressivism:
  • Modernism, condemned by Pope St. Pius X
papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10pasce.htm
  • The “New Theology”, condemned by Pius XII in 1950 in Humani Generis
papalencyclicals.net/Pius12/P12HUMAN.HTM

Also, these are known as religious liberalism and cafeteria catholicism
 
You can’t use terms like “neo conservative” or “neo-con” juxtaposed against “progressive.” If you are using those terms, then stick with “liberal” because that is what the CNS has become. Not progressive as in simply forward thinking but rather “liberal” as in progressive with an agenda! I have read recent articles calling on Catholics to embrace “her church” some wacky liberal movement to honor God as a woman through the use of some super modern rosary. Visit www.herchurch.org for details. Another story, in attempt to bring women priests in to the main stream, promoted a small parish in the northeast that was forced to use a female worship leader" due to lack of priests in the area. Another story openly promoted female priests all together. Had enough? This is just the last few months! I don’t know if it is individual writers or the service as a whole but I deliberately stopped visiting web sites with this service as the source. I will include articles in another posts as it appears this thread has been hijacked by a CNS writer wishing to defend themselves.:nope:
 
Ran on the CNS service originally…you be the judge…

“Hail Goddess full of grace”
Lutheran church in San Francisco has its own version of the Rosary

“WOW – coming from RC tradition I thought I’d never return to the Rosary. But here it is and here SHE IS. Blessed be, Mairly.”

The “here” in this message, found on herchurch.org, is Ebenezer Lutheran Church in San Francisco. But the SHE is not the Mother of God. SHE is “God/dess.”

On Wednesdays at 7 p.m., Ebenezer opens its sanctuary for the “Christian Goddess Rosary.” The church says it offers “Goddess Rosary Beads” and that “prayers and suggested meditations will be on hand as well as incense, candles and bells.”

“The Goddess rosary is grounded in traditions of the Christian Church and the proclamation of the gospel which is a vision of release from bondage for a new creation,” says the church’s web site.

The Goddess Rosary page on herchurch.org says that though “God as Father plays an important role” in Christian tradition, its “exclusive emphasis… contributes to a limited understanding of God, an understanding that supports a domination structure that oppresses and subordinates women.” Jesus used “Abba” as a “revolutionary deconstruction of domination structures of his day in both religious and social institutions.” The modern task is to do the same with “Goddess.”

Ebenezer, however, does not want to eradicate masculine images of God but to balance them with feminine images to “confront the biblical texts, products of their day and cultures, for the blatant patriarchal biases and misogynist attitudes.” And herchurch.org cites three Catholic theologians in support this confrontation: Harvard’s Elizabeth Schüssler Fiorenza, Fordham University’s Sister Elizabeth Johnson, and Rosemary Radford Ruether (who will lecture students in the course, “The History of God in Feminist Theological Discourse,” at LA’s Mount St. Mary’s College this spring.) Ruether calls the exclusive use of male imagery for God “idolatry.”

Herchurch.org offers a “Hail Goddess” prayer by feminist theologian Carol Christ, formerly of Harvard Divinity School but now director of the Ariadne Institute for Myth and Ritual in Greece. The prayer goes: “Hail Goddess full of grace. Blessed are you and blessed are all the fruits of your womb. For you are the MOTHER of us all. Hear us now and in all our needs. O blessed be, O blessed be. Amen.”

“I felt that I had stepped into a Presence, like a mother’s warm embrace,” wrote Dalyn Cook of Ebenezer’s Goddess Rosary. “The attendees were few in number, yet there was a sense of fullness in this welcoming space. I inhaled deeply the earthy scent of the incense, sending up delicate tendrils of smoke which curled around the altar in a nimbus visible against the warm rays of the evening sun filtering through the stained-glass windows…

“From the basket of rosaries, I took into my hand a strand of vibrantly-colored beads with a silver goddess icon in place of the traditional cross. The goddesses came in a variety of shapes and sizes, celebrating the beauty of the feminine form; I found reflections of my own figure in the full hips and Rubenesque curves of my goddess,” Cook wrote.
 
Ran on the CNS service originally…you be the judge…

“Hail Goddess full of grace”
Lutheran church in San Francisco has its own version of the Rosary

“WOW – coming from RC tradition I thought I’d never return to the Rosary. But here it is and here SHE IS. Blessed be, Mairly.”

The “here” in this message, found on herchurch.org, is Ebenezer Lutheran Church in San Francisco. But the SHE is not the Mother of God. SHE is “God/dess.”

On Wednesdays at 7 p.m., Ebenezer opens its sanctuary for the “Christian Goddess Rosary.” The church says it offers “Goddess Rosary Beads” and that “prayers and suggested meditations will be on hand as well as incense, candles and bells.”

“The Goddess rosary is grounded in traditions of the Christian Church and the proclamation of the gospel which is a vision of release from bondage for a new creation,” says the church’s web site.

The Goddess Rosary page on herchurch.org says that though “God as Father plays an important role” in Christian tradition, its “exclusive emphasis… contributes to a limited understanding of God, an understanding that supports a domination structure that oppresses and subordinates women.” Jesus used “Abba” as a “revolutionary deconstruction of domination structures of his day in both religious and social institutions.” The modern task is to do the same with “Goddess.”

Ebenezer, however, does not want to eradicate masculine images of God but to balance them with feminine images to “confront the biblical texts, products of their day and cultures, for the blatant patriarchal biases and misogynist attitudes.” And herchurch.org cites three Catholic theologians in support this confrontation: Harvard’s Elizabeth Schüssler Fiorenza, Fordham University’s Sister Elizabeth Johnson, and Rosemary Radford Ruether (who will lecture students in the course, “The History of God in Feminist Theological Discourse,” at LA’s Mount St. Mary’s College this spring.) Ruether calls the exclusive use of male imagery for God “idolatry.”

Herchurch.org offers a “Hail Goddess” prayer by feminist theologian Carol Christ, formerly of Harvard Divinity School but now director of the Ariadne Institute for Myth and Ritual in Greece. The prayer goes: “Hail Goddess full of grace. Blessed are you and blessed are all the fruits of your womb. For you are the MOTHER of us all. Hear us now and in all our needs. O blessed be, O blessed be. Amen.”

“I felt that I had stepped into a Presence, like a mother’s warm embrace,” wrote Dalyn Cook of Ebenezer’s Goddess Rosary. “The attendees were few in number, yet there was a sense of fullness in this welcoming space. I inhaled deeply the earthy scent of the incense, sending up delicate tendrils of smoke which curled around the altar in a nimbus visible against the warm rays of the evening sun filtering through the stained-glass windows…

“From the basket of rosaries, I took into my hand a strand of vibrantly-colored beads with a silver goddess icon in place of the traditional cross. The goddesses came in a variety of shapes and sizes, celebrating the beauty of the feminine form; I found reflections of my own figure in the full hips and Rubenesque curves of my goddess,” Cook wrote.
All I can say is Holy God protect us. Our Father in Heaven protect us from wrong teachings.
 
Ran on the CNS service originally…you be the judge…

“Hail Goddess full of grace”
I see it as a fairly written piece about what a non-Catholic church is doing. Nowhere in it do I see any approval towards it, but just presenting the way it is. This is in a standard writing format other news outlets (e.g. AP) use.

Just because they are not actively denouncing it does not mean they are showing approval for it.
 
I see it as a fairly written piece about what a non-Catholic church is doing.
That’s part of the problem. What is the CATHOLIC News Service doing writing a story promoting a schismatic psuedo-Christian sect which describes itself as “The Lutheran Feminist/Womanist Movement exists to celebrate the feminine persona of God/dess and dimensions of the sacred as expressed in faith, worship, learning, mutual care, and acts of justice.” ???
Nowhere in it do I see any approval towards it, but just presenting the way it is.
The matter-of-fact style in which it is written has a normalizing effect. Why not write about how this sect has bastardized one of Catholicism’s greatest treasures, the rosary?
This is in a standard writing format other news outlets (e.g. AP) use.
The CNS is not supposed to be the AP. If it was, we have no need for the CNS and it should be dissolved.
 
That’s part of the problem. What is the CATHOLIC News Service doing writing a story promoting a schismatic psuedo-Christian sect which describes itself as “The Lutheran Feminist/Womanist Movement exists to celebrate the feminine persona of God/dess and dimensions of the sacred as expressed in faith, worship, learning, mutual care, and acts of justice.” ???
The story clearly shows it is a non-Catholic group (Lutheran, ELCA). I would say that it is in as a general interest/ecumenical story. It shows what one group is doing outside the Catholic Church.
The matter-of-fact style in which it is written has a normalizing effect. Why not write about how this sect has bastardized one of Catholicism’s greatest treasures, the rosary?
Is it “bastardizied” or just adapted? Even an adapted form of the rosary by non-Catholics shows the spiritual power of that way of praying. They are just doing it themselves and not pushing any other church to change to their ways.
The CNS is not supposed to be the AP. If it was, we have no need for the CNS and it should be dissolved.
Are all sources that get the “Catholic” label supposed to be all judgmental towards others? We as Catholics are not oppressed and have to hide away from the world. Part of being in the world means getting along with others, no matter if it is between two people or two religious traditions. That is what ecumenicism is all about. To get to know and break down barriers and remove misconceptions and not build them up.
 
Are all sources that get the “Catholic” label supposed to be all judgmental towards others? We as Catholics are not oppressed and have to hide away from the world. Part of being in the world means getting along with others, no matter if it is between two people or two religious traditions. That is what ecumenicism is all about. To get to know and break down barriers and remove misconceptions and not build them up.
The contents of the article, by running on the Catholic News Service, is given implicit approval by the fact that it ran on the CNS without ANY comment by ANY Catholic!! Wow! The CNS is not out there to be an unbiased AP type of service but the AP would have done a better job of at least offering the other side’s opinion. The CNS on the other hand is obligated by the Catholic charter to explicitly offer the CATHOLIC point of view. Otherwise, why bother? Ecumenicism is when we try to understand the faith tradition of another without sacrificing our own judgement on matters of faith. Ecumenicism is not breaking down barriers to encourage people to be something other than Catholic! A story written about a fringe group without even a head-nod to the Catholic view point demeans the CNS and greatly offends Catholic people of faith no matter how you slice it. I can’t imagine any clear thinking person, particularly a Catholic, reading the above article on the CNS and thinking “Now that is some seriously good ecumenicism!” Most, if not all probably thought, “Why is this trash running on the CNS?” Liberal leaning service? I don’t think there is any doubt.:eek:

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Mother Mary Pray For Us
 
Is it “bastardizied” or just adapted? Even an adapted form of the rosary by non-Catholics shows the spiritual power of that way of praying. They are just doing it themselves and not pushing any other church to change to their ways.
It is bastardized. When you remove the central focus of the rosary, Jesus, and insert a different God all together and make no mention of the other key component, Mary the Mother of God, then yes, you are bastardizing the rosary. That is no different than taking the new testament and changing everything, removing Jesus as the focus and saying, “it just proves how important that style of book is to other traditions.” That is exactly what the Book of Mormon is all about (think Joseph Smith). I can show you a picture of my family and point you to the image of my mother. If you cut off her head and replace it with a medussa you won’t convince me that is more relevant now that you have removed my mother’s image. It is in fact, less relevant - and offensive.:eek:

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Mother Mary pray for us
 
The story clearly shows it is a non-Catholic group (Lutheran, ELCA). I would say that it is in as a general interest/ecumenical story. It shows what one group is doing outside the Catholic Church.
More appropriate to call it a minority interest story that has no business being in a Catholic anything.

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Mother Mary pray for us
 
Ran on the CNS service originally…you be the judge…
“Hail Goddess full of grace”
Lutheran church in San Francisco has its own version of the Rosary

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Yes, I recall reading a story like this somewhere, but I didn’t pick up at all that the reporter thought that these folks were anything else but, well…goofy. I would have hardly called the article supportive. Maybe its that things like this don’t rile me anymore. At over 70 I have seen enough stupidity to know we will never run out of idiots. 🤷 🤷
 
Every once in a while, I turn back to old posts. I’m glad I did.

I said:
John Higgins:
I differ with my comrade chicago. I find CNS to be more like the FoxNews of Catholic reporting.
Tim said:
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chicago:
Interesting. How so?
And small wonder, I like CNS. What service I intended to say reminded me of FoxNews was Catholic World News. An apology to CNS, which I find mainstream progressive.

John
 
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