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Glark
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This Pope Leo XIII fellow sounds like a very wise man, guided by the Holy Spirit, and not by the spirit of the world. Can someone resurrect him please and put him back on the Chair of St. Peter? Immediately?
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IWantGod
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So, are you saying that the Catholic church is in a state of apostasy?
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Glark
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So why does our civilization and many Catholics - large and small - worship a useless theory?
The Church indulges in junk theology to accommodate this perfectly useless theory - how does you account for that?
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Glark
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An asexual creature somehow evolved into male and female. Don’t laugh! It really happened! A bunch of atheist scientists told me!
Here’s another hilarious evo-joke … whales evolved from some kinda land-lubbing rodent!
Laughter is the best medicine!
But I am digressing from the thread.
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Rau
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The planets are composed of matter expelled by stars. Or is that heresy? Or Fairy Tale?
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Rau
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My full quote was: “Ed, Nothing about a universe that appears to have started with a bang 15bill years ago and includes biological evolution contradicts your quote.” The quote in question was a statement in the Catechism about the creation of the universe by God.
But I’m interested that you are studying physics. Better pick your courses carefully as some content may cause you to sneer!
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Glark
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Sister Mary told us “They lied to us” and a few years later she left her order to become a civilian. What she was angry about was, the Bible and the Church told her we were created by God in six days, but that was a lie - she learnt that billions of years of evolution is the truth. Poor Sister Mary … the devil whispered in her ear and she believed him.
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Rau
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You mean that she - a teacher? - was reading genesis literally? Funny, none of the religious that taught me felt that need. Nor does the Church.
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ericc
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I don’t think anyone “worships” a useless theory. A part of the theory is correct, such as microevolution. The macroevolution part is not proven. Evolution theory has its purpose, it is useful to understand how things evolve. So it is not useless entirely. Unfortunately, people has overextended evolution theory in its coverage without adequate evidence.
Which part of the theology is “junk” regarding evolution theory?
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Glark
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The idea is to baffle and intimidate the masses with pseudo-scientific propaganda. Works pretty well, but they can’t fool all of the people all of the time.
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Rau
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I saw no specifics there about Adam’s origins - beyond the fact that he (like all of us) came from the earth. And right reason makes clear that Adam pre-dates mummies much older than what you personally deem to be the age of life on earth.
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Rau
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Why presume an ill motive? Maybe what we have here is just an incredible succession of innocent human error, prompted by God placing all that “evidence” of a long history of life on earth to confuse us? I wonder if we’ll every get carbon dating right? Actually - your physics studies might lead you to figure out where it went wrong! You’d agree that would be a great service to mankind if you could debunk this nonsense that life existed more than a hand-full of thousand years ago!! And you - who fervently believes this - are studying just the right field to make such a discovery. Do you feel called to take this on?
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Glark
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What I think he is referring to is that in Genesis 1, plants appeared (Day 3) before the Sun and stars were created on Day 4, which defies nature. How can plants exist without the sun?
But I’ll have to have another look at what he said in light of what you suggest. I didn’t think of that angle.
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Glark
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To a degree, but not totally. The weeds grow up with the wheat. Apostasy in the Church doesn’t mean the gates of hell have prevailed against it. There has always been some degree of apostasy amongst certain individuals in the Church, but these days it’s deeper and more widespread.
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Glark
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Believing in a literal interpretation of Genesis 1 is akin to believing in Santa Clause.
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Techno2000
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She learned that God works in slooooooow ways.dixieagle:
Sister Mary told us “They lied to us” and a few years later she left her order to become a civilian. What she was angry about was, the Bible and the Church told her we were created by God in six days, but that was a lie - she learnt that billions of years of evolution is the truth. Poor Sister Mary … the devil whispered in her ear and she believed him.
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Aloysium
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We should first remind ourselves that although its various theories are presented to us through the media and in school books as being definitive, science is an area of ongoing heated debate and thereby optimally growing in its explanatory value. This sometimes happens in dramatic ways that overturn the preceding t world view. History demonstrates that it is difficult to let go of the way we see things. An understandable big deal is made of Galileo and the Scopes monkey trial as examples of how society seeks to impose restrictions on the freedom to seek the truth. In such circumstance we understand it to be, and it very well might be a seduction away from the truth. Currently, the trend is away from revealed truth, as if it were not an equal, in fact a superior way to connect with reality. There is one truth, and the truth about our CREATION is to be found both in the tradition of the Church, inspired by the Holy Spirit and founded in Jesus Christ, and in the historical record constituted by the remnants of our having been here in the past, to be interpreted in the present. The interpretation, how we put the mosaic together, is only as good as our assumptions.
The Theory of Evolution assumes that we were not created, that human beings are a species of animal. I don’t think we can understand how it is that God brought us into being. It is sufficient to know that He did so. It is possible as many here believe that a human being was ensouled and grew within the womb of a primate. It would not have been a Neanderthal, since they were likely human, but stockier than almost all of us today. But, it may have been Australopithecus. I personally don’t like the term Homo sapiens, since the quality that defines us as human is our free will and capacity to love. It’s not the development or health status of our cerebral cortex that defines our humanity.
At any rate, God could have created us any way He wanted. And, at our beginnings, we could have lived with the potential to conceive for many hundreds of years, There is absolutely no way to know this one way or the other. The Theory of Evolution assumes that we had a life expectancy of some thirty years based on research into primates and modern isolated hunter-gatherer societies. Genetic differences among different populations in the world, can trace the spreading out of mankind throughout the world, and reflect the influence of microevolution. An initial flourishing of genetic diversity could have occurred immediately following our creation, in a similar manner that we observe in the appearance of the great variety of life forms that exists in the history of the earth. The underlying “mutations”, changes in the genotype, can be understood as have been directed by God. Mere randomness truly doesn’t cut it, except for the strict believers in materialism. God did it, and how He did it will be known to us when we come face to face, but for now, chasing shadows on our cave wall, we can only imagine.
Would have more to say, but later.
The Theory of Evolution assumes that we were not created, that human beings are a species of animal. I don’t think we can understand how it is that God brought us into being. It is sufficient to know that He did so. It is possible as many here believe that a human being was ensouled and grew within the womb of a primate. It would not have been a Neanderthal, since they were likely human, but stockier than almost all of us today. But, it may have been Australopithecus. I personally don’t like the term Homo sapiens, since the quality that defines us as human is our free will and capacity to love. It’s not the development or health status of our cerebral cortex that defines our humanity.
At any rate, God could have created us any way He wanted. And, at our beginnings, we could have lived with the potential to conceive for many hundreds of years, There is absolutely no way to know this one way or the other. The Theory of Evolution assumes that we had a life expectancy of some thirty years based on research into primates and modern isolated hunter-gatherer societies. Genetic differences among different populations in the world, can trace the spreading out of mankind throughout the world, and reflect the influence of microevolution. An initial flourishing of genetic diversity could have occurred immediately following our creation, in a similar manner that we observe in the appearance of the great variety of life forms that exists in the history of the earth. The underlying “mutations”, changes in the genotype, can be understood as have been directed by God. Mere randomness truly doesn’t cut it, except for the strict believers in materialism. God did it, and how He did it will be known to us when we come face to face, but for now, chasing shadows on our cave wall, we can only imagine.
Would have more to say, but later.
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