Does Darwin's theory of evolution contradict Catholicsm?

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edwest21 said:
I don’t know. How did the Koala Bear discover that Eucalyptus leaves/trees were nearby? What did it eat before these trees existed?
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Yes ,it’s amazing that all the food every creature needed to live evolved at the exact same time they did.
 
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Techno2000 said:
You can’t have both
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Sure you can.

Which one of those are ‘human’? The one on the left? No…? Well then, what about the one to his right? No? The third? Fourth? Fifth? Sixth?

What about the one on the far right? Yes? If so, then please tell me: how do you know that he is a “true human” – that is, that he possesses an eternal soul?
 
No proof. No soul. I mean, you can’t put a soul in a lab. However, there have been attempts to determine if a thing called a soul exists. In the meantime, only the Church can give us the full, complete answer.
 
Techno2000 said:
Question : how did the porcupine ever make it to become a porcupine ?
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Or, more importantly for this thread, how did the troll ever make it to become a troll if he is so clueless about both evolution AND Genesis?

Perhaps he is only about halfway between being clueless, and grokking it?
Trollshaws were within the borders of Arnor and later of the smaller realm of Rhudaur. The Men of Rhudaur built castles and towers on the top of some of its hills.

They were the haunt of Trolls, especially after the fall of Arnor; Stone-trolls from “the mountains” came to the woodlands. This was the case of William who led Tom and Bert; having eaten a village and a half on their way, they complained about the scarcity of people in the area and instead had to make do with mutton. While they made their camp, they famously waylaid Bilbo and his companions who were on their Quest of Erebor. Thanks to the distractions of Gandalf, the Trolls were turned to stone by the Sun. Years later, Frodo and his companions traversed the woodland and found the Trolls’ petrified forms on the way to Rivendell.
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glark
To slowly grasp the meaning of a word or concept, based on the situation in which it is used.

An eventual understanding of the way things work, unlike zen, in which a sudden flash of insight occurs.

Glarking a concept is about halfway between being clueless, and grokking it.

Usually pertains to computer programming, formerly glork until coders realized (slowly) that glork meant something else.
“It took me a while to glark what the professor was talking about.”
Urban Dictionary: glark
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It took me a while to glark what the troll was talking about.
 
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Techno2000 said:
Yes ,it’s amazing that all the food every creature needed to live evolved at the exact same time they did.
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How could it be otherwise? Kind of like…‘how could you find man on a planet unless that planet was just right for man’?
 
Funny how I used to accept certain concepts on the words of scientists alone. For example, I was watching a TV program where scientists claimed that if a planet were the right distance from its sun and had “the building blocks of life” [amino acids] then life would appear there. Later, after some critical thinking, I realized: They don’t know that!
 
You mean when a soulless male creature mated with a soulless female creature and produced an offspring suitable for God to put a soul in it ?
 
HarryStotle said:
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Techno2000:
Question : how did the porcupine ever make it to become a porcupine ?
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Or, more importantly for this thread, how did the troll ever make it to become a troll if he is so clueless about both evolution AND Genesis?

Perhaps he is only about halfway between being clueless, and grokking it?
Trollshaws were within the borders of Arnor and later of the smaller realm of Rhudaur. The Men of Rhudaur built castles and towers on the top of some of its hills.

They were the haunt of Trolls, especially after the fall of Arnor; Stone-trolls from “the mountains” came to the woodlands. This was the case of William who led Tom and Bert; having eaten a village and a half on their way, they complained about the scarcity of people in the area and instead had to make do with mutton. While they made their camp, they famously waylaid Bilbo and his companions who were on their Quest of Erebor. Thanks to the distractions of Gandalf, the Trolls were turned to stone by the Sun. Years later, Frodo and his companions traversed the woodland and found the Trolls’ petrified forms on the way to Rivendell.
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glark
To slowly grasp the meaning of a word or concept, based on the situation in which it is used.

An eventual understanding of the way things work, unlike zen, in which a sudden flash of insight occurs.

Glarking a concept is about halfway between being clueless, and grokking it.

Usually pertains to computer programming, formerly glork until coders realized (slowly) that glork meant something else.
“It took me a while to glark what the professor was talking about.”
Urban Dictionary: glark
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It took me a while to glark what the troll was talking about.
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DO YOU REALLY THINK I CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF ME ?
 
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Wait…

Wait…

So now there were thinking, feeling, rational creatures who were self-aware, but didn’t have souls?

That’s… I don’t know. That seems very, very cruel.
 
So now there were thinking, feeling, rational creatures who were self-aware, but didn’t have souls?

That’s… I don’t know. That seems very, very cruel.

Yeah, kinda like the movie Blade Runner.
 
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Except (SPOILERS!!!) the whole point of Blade Runner was that Batty was just as human as any of us and he did have a soul. The last speech and him saving Deckard were the proof of his humanity.

Plus, before this abomination of a “sequel” was made, we were SUPPOSED to think the Deckard was probably a replicant too.
 
No, no. We’re more like the Terminator in Terminator 2 only… uh… uh… never mind.

Ed
 
ChunkMonk said:
Wait…

Wait…

So now there were thinking, feeling, rational creatures who were self-aware, but didn’t have souls?

That’s… I don’t know. That seems very, very cruel.
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Assuming you don’t need a soul of a particular kind,* i.e., a rational human soul, to be self-aware.
*All living things, according to Aristotle and Aquinas had souls. I believe Aquinas, following Aristotle, (British form of Harrystotle), held that the soul is the actualizing principle of any living entity. Thus, vegetative, sentient and rational souls (animae) are the three forms of living things on earth.

To be conscious of anything could not be a strictly physiological or corporeal function, it had to be intellective because the knower “takes in” what he knows, or more properly, the thing fully known is formed or actualized in the knower. Thus the rational soul of a human being is a subsistent form and not comprised of matter and form – although a human being is made of both, a human soul is not and it cannot be destroyed by any natural process or event.

To be conscious of self requires that the knower knows himself, which is properly an intellective function and not a merely sentient or vegetative one.
 
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Techno2000 said:
DO YOU REALLY THINK I CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF ME ?
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I wasn’t referring to you. Your post was a lead into my point.

Look into the definitions of things – Glark, for example – for a hint, not to say clue.
 
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HarryStotle said:
Trollshaws were within the borders of Arnor and later of the smaller realm of Rhudaur. The Men of Rhudaur built castles and towers on the top of some of its hills.

They were the haunt of Trolls, especially after the fall of Arnor; Stone-trolls from “the mountains” came to the woodlands. This was the case of William who led Tom and Bert; having eaten a village and a half on their way, they complained about the scarcity of people in the area and instead had to make do with mutton. While they made their camp, they famously waylaid Bilbo and his companions who were on their Quest of Erebor. Thanks to the distractions of Gandalf, the Trolls were turned to stone by the Sun. Years later, Frodo and his companions traversed the woodland and found the Trolls’ petrified forms on the way to Rivendell.
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Trollshaws were within the borders of Arnor and later of the smaller realm of Rhudaur. The Men of Rhudaur built castles and towers on the top of some of its hills.

They were the haunt of Trolls, especially after the fall of Arnor; Stone-trolls from “the mountains” came to the woodlands. This was the case of William who led Tom and Bert; having eaten a village and a half on their way, they complained about the scarcity of people in the area and instead had to make do with mutton. While they made their camp, they famously waylaid Bilbo and his companions who were on their Quest of Erebor. Thanks to the distractions of Gandalf, the Trolls were turned to stone by the Sun. Years later, Frodo and his companions traversed the woodland and found the Trolls’ petrified forms on the way to Rivendell.

You know it’s not always a Bed of Roses for Trolls.
 
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