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Its a liturgical reading from the Roman Martyrology.
Proclamation of the Birth of Christ - Wikipedia
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Interesting. Presumably it is derived from a literal reading of Genesis, which the Church does not require anyone to accept as historical. So this is a step removed from reading Scripture itself.
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The creation of life by God may be quite indistinguishable by us from a random, unguided process. It is thus illogical for science to describe it in any other terms. If we, as persons of faith, overlay what we observe with the action of God, that’s perfectly acceptable. If we, as persons of faith, discard what our rational enquiries so strongly suggest, all in order to subscribe to a Bible story the Church does not see a need to view as historical in nature, that is a…a free choice.
Measured with a device? No. Estimated - sure it can. Some would have us believe that age estimates up to 5778 years could be OK, but anything greater than that is massively in error.
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Scientists are not all of the Anglo ruling class
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For the origin of (material) life look at abiogenesis, which contains a great deal of chemistry.
Changes in genetic material can make different creatures; you have mentioned Dachshunds, which are different from other longer-legged dogs because of a change in their genetic material. The differences between lions and tigers are also due to changes in their genetic material, though in that case there are more changes than for Dachshunds.
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The ancestors of lungfish already had working stomachs. All ancestors to any living organism were able to reproduce. If you forget that, then you will make mistakes.
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If some Americans are descended from Europeans, how come there are Europeans still around?
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Techno2000
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Neanderthal who had multiple injuries got by with help from friends
Researchers at Washington University in St. Louis and the French National Center for Scientific Research suggest that a deaf Neanderthal lived into his 40's with help from others.
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Catholicos
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For the same reasons many Africans still exists in Africa, and many African Americans are in America today. Some Europeans forgot to treat their fellow human beings like human beings.
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Americans and Europeans are both Humans, apes are not.Catholicos:
If some Americans are descended from Europeans, how come there are Europeans still around?
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What creature can we observe today that is reproducing offspring that are imperfect copies and mutating into a new creature ?Techno2000:
No. It is reproducing. The offspring will be an imperfect copy (evolution requires imperfect replicators to work). For example, the average human has about 100 mutations; bits of DNA that did not come from either parent.
The offspring will not be an exact duplicate of the parent. Whether that difference is enough to name a new taxon would require a well trained biologist and a full RNA sequencing of both parent and offspring.
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Aloysium
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The mystery that science reveals grows as our knowledge increases.edwest211:
I don’t know the soundness of the premise in that statement, but I would note that it is entirely proper for Science to say: “Unknown”. For example: Why did we have a Big Bang? Where did the matter/energy come from ? Answer: “Unknown”.
It’s not only a matter of where did matter and energy come from, but all the underlying relationships, the constants and laws that did not exist at one point, but appeared one step at a time - space-time, quarks and other constituents of atoms, atoms themselves, molecules, cells, plants, animals and us.
There is no issue with scientists saying they don’t know. The problem is being told that they do know, when it is all conjecture. They are not being true to their art when they promote unproveable hypotheses.
Analyzing the physiological changes in the human body, patterns emerge within and between its various organ systems. In the end, it remains random and meaningless behaviour as long as we do not include the meaning that comes with the reality of there being a person who perceives, thinks, feels and acts. Once we are aware of there being a person, we understand that we are looking at merely one dimension of the unity that is each of us. However we are physically formed and whatever graces have been bestowed on us, we are individual expressions of humanity, which had a beginning as such.
A materially focussed science cannot possibly tell us when or how we came into being. It cannot tell us whether mankind was created or always existed, either as a manifestation eternal physical properties or an eternal consciousness. It cannot say even that humanity exists at all, if all that exists is a body, which is merely a temporary rearrangement of more real atomic and subatomic events. We know things were different at the beginning of the universe, but assume that the world was the same when we came on the scene. We don’t know that the first humans didn’t not live, capable of reproduction for hundreds and hundreds of years. We can’t prove it one way or another; assumptions have to be made. Unfortunately for those who follow Genesis, they face ridicule for their beliefs. I would like to scientists who hold the far more ridiculous notion that we are a species of ape, that they really don’t know.
Scientists can’t tell us what caused the universe, with all the properties that emerged from its first form as an amorphous plasma. We can imagine atoms forming molecules which ultimately were used to bring about life. If we don’t go beyond the physical nature of those particles that brought them together, we can’t even say that life exists. Yet we as all living creatures are alive. And, here we are thinking, trying to imagine all this, each of us as one person, physical-spiritual, existing in relation to everything including the Cause. How all this happens and how it originated scientists, to be truthful, should be saying, “I don’t know.”
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Americans, Europeans and the Great Apes are all Hominidae. Americans, Europeans, Great Apes and Old World Monkeys are all Catarrhini. At some level in the tree of life we are all in the same classification.
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All of them. All organisms, humans included, are imperfect replicators. The average human has about 100 mutations in its genome.
Come back in 100,000 generations and then we will be able to see.
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Americans, Europeans and the Great Apes are all Hominidae. Americans, Europeans, Great Apes and Old World Monkeys are all Catarrhini. At some level in the tree of life we are all in the same classification.
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Even me ?
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See if that’s true you mean …right ?
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We don’t even know where the universe is. Is it floating in nothing? I imagine it as a somewhat flattened sphere due to gravitational forces. Now, where is earth? Somewhere near the center? Closer to some edge? The Hubble Ultra Deep Field, which includes near-infrared to ultraviolet light, shows galaxies 13.2 billion years old or shortly after the Big Bang (roughly 450 million years). And what did the Big Bang explode into and expand in? Nothing? No space, no matter or radiation? But based on where earth is actually located in the universe, we could see different results.
What I’m seeing is more discovery is revealing increased complexity, especially in the human genome. This is compelling evidence that it did not just make itself.
What I’m seeing is more discovery is revealing increased complexity, especially in the human genome. This is compelling evidence that it did not just make itself.
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Regrettably, the habit of some scientists to speculate and draw long bows is used by others to condemn and dismiss science. A case of throwing out the baby with the bath water.
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The other problem with this is that the entire idea of a soul and to go further, free will, is in direct contradiction with science. Science tells us that our entire existence is a result of evolution from organic molecules and that we evolved into a more complex species. But all of our actions and thoughts are determined by electrical signals based on our chemical makeup. Therefore the idea that humans were created by God or even the idea that humans are inherently significant in any way is in direct contradiction with science. It’s the conflict between the manifest image and the scientific image. If we accept science completely, then the manifest image, or our own self-awareness, becomes an illusion. Compromising just leaves holes in your reasoning. That’s some Wilfred Sellers right there.
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