Does EWTN still televise the EF mass?

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Does EWTN still televise the EF mass?

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the last EF mass I seen on EWTN was in July of 2009 with St. John Cantius Regular members officiating the mass. I haven’t seen any since. I hope that they still consider inviting other priest who are trained in EF to do such. 2 of EWTNs Priest are trained in EF by St. John Cantius. Fr. Joseph Mary and Fr. Miguel Marie.
 
melchesidechpio said:
the last EF mass I seen on EWTN was in July of 2009 with St. John Cantius Regular members officiating the mass. I haven’t seen any since. I hope that they still consider inviting other priest who are trained in EF to do such. 2 of EWTNs Priest are trained in EF by St. John Cantius. Fr. Joseph Mary and Fr. Miguel Marie.
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As I remember they were in Chicago for quite a few months. One would hope all priests trained to say the EF do so often. A lot of things are forgotten the longer they not say it.

Repetitio est mater memoriae.
Repetition is the mother of memory.
 
Looking at EWTN’s archives, it does seem that the last televised EF from their chapel was in summer 2009.

I remember reading something a while back (it might have been in this forum) about the local bishop there prohibiting the broadcast (not the actual offering) of Mass celebrated ad orientem from the chapel. If true, that would explain things.
 
malphono said:
Looking at EWTN’s archives, it does seem that the last televised EF from their chapel was in summer 2009.

I remember reading something a while back (it might have been in this forum) about the local bishop there prohibiting the broadcast (not the actual offering) of Mass celebrated ad orientem from the chapel. If true, that would explain things.
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Is not that against the Motu Proprio?

Has EWTN announced any intention to celebrate the EF more?
 
This past Nov. Christ the kIng solemnity…I didn’t make it to that Mass and I am not sure it was televised. seems like we have two a year at the Shrine, the last Fr Miguel and Fr Dominic from MFVA …

our Bishop would allow EF, that’s not a problem at all, I think you may be confused with some problems that occurred between our previous bishop and EWTN
 
fish90 said:
Is not that against the Motu Proprio?

Has EWTN announced any intention to celebrate the EF more?
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I don’t think it is against Motu Proprio. EWTN has expressed intrest in the EF, but hasn’t really said much about the mass
 
malphono said:
Looking at EWTN’s archives, it does seem that the last televised EF from their chapel was in summer 2009.

I remember reading something a while back (it might have been in this forum) about the local bishop there prohibiting the broadcast (not the actual offering) of Mass celebrated ad orientem from the chapel. If true, that would explain things.
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That was the previous bishop, Bishop Foley. Our current bishop allows it.

DaveBj
 
DaveBj said:
That was the previous bishop, Bishop Foley. Our current bishop allows it.

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Perhaps he does but one thing I’ve observed on the televising of the EF Masses (I haven’t seen the ad orientem OF on EWTN) is this. The cameras are either to the side and/or behind the altar. (True of a lot of EF videos, by the way.) So for the TV audience the Mass isn’t truly ad orientem, though it may seem that way for those who are present there. I’ve attended the EF Mass locally which has seats behind the altar; seems like sitting there sort of defeats the purpose of the congregation praying in the same direction.

I could probably post this under modern churches but I’m sure even some of the older churches have seats to the side or behind the altars as well.
 
I think they will be doing one for the Lenten season, I think I saw it in the bulletin I got in the mail. Unless I dreamed it 🙂
 
ProVobis said:
Perhaps he does but one thing I’ve observed on the televising of the EF Masses (I haven’t seen the ad orientem OF on EWTN) is this. The cameras are either to the side and/or behind the altar. (True of a lot of EF videos, by the way.) So for the TV audience the Mass isn’t truly ad orientem, though it may seem that way for those who are present there. I’ve attended the EF Mass locally which has seats behind the altar; seems like sitting there sort of defeats the purpose of the congregation praying in the same direction.

I could probably post this under modern churches but I’m sure even some of the older churches have seats to the side or behind the altars as well.
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That went back to the previous Bishop about the OF done Ad Orientem. I am sure the current Bishop allows OF done in Ad Orientem. I do know that Bishop Folley and EWTN had disagreements about the OF in Ad Orientem
 
Would “Solemn Mass” indicate the Extraordinary Form? If so then there are several in the Easter Week Programming. Look at the programs in yellow, some, but not all, of which are designated as “Solemn Mass”.

The only place I’ve ever found for feed back is viewer@ewtn.com and their phone number. I encourage you to write and say you want more frequent broadcasts of the EF Holy Mass.

We Eastern and Oriental Catholics have a similar problem where there is almost never any programming about us, let alone even once broadcast of a Divine Liturgy or even some other services. We all need to speak up and ask for a greater representation of the whole Church in terms of liturgy that is broadcast.
 
I don’t believe the term “Solemn Mass” means EF; rather I think it refers to an OF Mass with many parts in latin, such as the Pope is in the habit of doing.
I know that in Portland, Oregon, at St. Stephen’s every Saturday evening they celebrate a Solemn Latin Mass. This is always an OF celebrated in latin with chant.
 
I am looking at a printed EWTN “April 2011 Highlights” mailer that has the following info:

“On April 9, 2010 at 1PM Eastern Time from the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, EWTN will televise a ‘Solemn Pontifical Mass in the Extraordinary Form’. The celebrant will be Abp. Joseph Augustine Di Noia.”

The Archbishop is an American Dominican, currently the Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments in the Roman Curia, and Titular Archbishop of Oregon City.
 
kevin1313 said:
I am looking at a printed EWTN “April 2011 Highlights” mailer that has the following info:

“On April 9, 2010 at 1PM Eastern Time from the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, EWTN will televise a ‘Solemn Pontifical Mass in the Extraordinary Form’. The celebrant will be Abp. Joseph Augustine Di Noia.”

The Archbishop is an American Dominican, currently the Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments in the Roman Curia, and Titular Archbishop of Oregon City.
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They mean April 9, 2011, don’t they?
 
5Loaves said:
Would “Solemn Mass” indicate the Extraordinary Form? If so then there are several in the Easter Week Programming. Look at the programs in yellow, some, but not all, of which are designated as “Solemn Mass”.

The only place I’ve ever found for feed back is viewer@ewtn.com and their phone number. I encourage you to write and say you want more frequent broadcasts of the EF Holy Mass.

We Eastern and Oriental Catholics have a similar problem where there is almost never any programming about us, let alone even once broadcast of a Divine Liturgy or even some other services. We all need to speak up and ask for a greater representation of the whole Church in terms of liturgy that is broadcast.
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If you understand Spanish, the spanish version of ewtn has a regular program about the melkites. the english version also has a series of lenten reflections for eastern catholics, but much of what they show is ment to introduce the eastern customs to the west.

Off topic, but relevant radio has their “light of the east” program, available also as a podcast. It really helped me get out of a spiritual rut a few years ago.
 
I think that the problem here is that people are not separating EWTN from the Franciscan family. EWTN is a private corporation. The mass at both the EWTN chapel and at the shrine is the “mass of the Franciscans.” If you notice, it follows the Franciscan liturgical calendar, not the Roman liturgical calendar. It is meant to meet the needs of the Franciscans and it is televised to share its spiritual wealth with the world.

EWTN has no control over the mass that the friars celebrate. It has to transmit what the friars celebrate or have a blank spot on their schedule. The Corporation cannot tell the Guardian what to do. The daily mass comes under the jurisdiction of the Guardian. He decides who is celebrating and what form he is using. The Motu Proprio is very specific that those priests who are religious must abide by the ordinary laws of their institutes. In the Franciscan family, the highest ranking voice in any house is the Guardian.

There are many Franciscan friars, from many branches of the family, that are trained in the EF. This does not mean that they can celebrate it whenever they please. That is an internal decision of the community. Whatever the community decides is subject to the approval of the Guardian. If it’s a parish, then the pastor must also approve. Over and above the Guardian would be the General Chapter. Above the General Chapter is either the local bishop or the pope.

The Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word are in a rather interesting position. The last that I heard they are Franciscans of Diocesan Right. I don’t think that they are of Pontifical Right. This means that the Guardian is the highest-ranking superior in the house and the local bishop is the highest-ranking superior in the community. The daily mass must comply with several points:
  1. the Franciscan liturgical calendar, which does not match the EF calendar all the time. There are some days when the two are off. I believe that the Franciscans of the Immaculate are working on this. I could be wrong. On the days when the two calendars do not match, you have to celebrate what’s in the Franciscan calendar. If you can find an EF mass that fits, then it works. Otherwise, you must use the Ordinary Form. Even a visiting priest, must use the Franciscan calendar at a Franciscan chapel. If you watch, you will see Fathers Wade and Mitch celebrate the Franciscan holy days, if they happen to be the celebrants on those days. Both of them are religious. Fr. Wade is from a congregation and Fr. Mitch is from an order, but the liturgical calendar that governs is that of the local house, not of your community. If you’re visiting and you do not know how to celebrate the EF or do not want to celebrate the EF, you don’t have to do so.
  2. the constitutions of the brotherhood, which are enforced by the Guardian also affect what form of the mass is used and when it is used. The Constitutions give the Guardian the authority to make this decision. The Guardian need not always be a priest. He is the canonical successor of St. Francis. That’s all the power he needs to decide who is doing what and when.
  3. the wishes of the local bishop must be obeyed, because he is the highest ranking authority of any community of diocesan right. If he prefers that the mass for the public be in the OF or he can specify that, because these are religious brothers, not diocesan priests and canonically, he is their superior, not the Holy Father. The Holy Father is his superior and the superior of communities of Pontifical Right.
When you have several factors that determine when you celebrate the EF and the OF, I would not be surprised if the issue is a scheduling conflict. The Corporation would have to catch the EF when the friars celebrate it. The friars celebrate the mass according to their norms and the wishes of their Guardian, not those of EWTN.

As to a solemn mass, the term does not always mean the Extraordinary Form. There is a solemn mass in the Ordinary Form. It’s the mass that you see the Holy Father celebrate, the mass that you see at Christmas, Easter, the Solemnity of St. Francis or some other Founding Father, an ordination or confirmation and other special occasions. It means that it is a mass in which all the parts of the mass are sung. There is a Gloria and three readings. It is either a solemnity or a solemn occasion, such as an ordination or profession of vows. It can be in Latin or in the vernacular or multilingual, as is often the case with the papal masses. Solemn does not necessarily mean Latin.

The EWTN camera crew has to be present at the right time or the producers must coordinate with the Guardian, with the understanding that the Guardian will decide what is best for everyone. His is the voice of Christ.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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