Does gay marriage benefit society in any way?

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I’ve been thinking about this, are there any benefits to society from gay marriage?

{it must be a benefit exclusively because of gay marriage}
 
Provide homosexuals a motive for opposing Radical Islam/Shariah.
 
Married couples (gay and straight) are more incentivized to stay together, which is often good for maintaining stable families. Also, if you happen to believe that married people cheat less often than unmarried people in relationships, allowing gay marriage would confer that benefit onto society as well.
 
ServusHumilis said:
… as well as a motive for opposing the Catholic Church then? :confused:
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We’re not beheading them or throwing them off of roofs for sodomy-- in fact they’re welcome in the pews to hear the word of God, hopefully repent and amend their ways.

They may come in handy as allies in the future, from their perspective which side would you choose- the one trying to talk you into changing or the one trying to take your head off? Nice thing about the Catholic church being given the authority to forgive sins vice administering God’s punishment for them.
 
AyJSimon said:
Married couples (gay and straight) are more incentivized to stay together, which is often good for maintaining stable families. Also, if you happen to believe that married people cheat less often than unmarried people in relationships, allowing gay marriage would confer that benefit onto society as well.
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What families? Gay couples cannot produce children nor should they be allowed to adopt and be given the opportunity to indoctrinate future generations in their wickedness.
styrgwillidar said:
We’re not beheading them or throwing them off of roofs for sodomy-- in fact they’re welcome in the pews to hear the word of God, hopefully repent and amend their ways.

They may come in handy as allies in the future, from their perspective which side would you choose- the one trying to talk you into changing or the one trying to take your head off? Nice thing about the Catholic church being given the authority to forgive sins vice administering God’s punishment for them.
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This is no reason to redefine marriage which in turn gives the appearance of encouraging such disordered behaviors.
 
ServusHumilis said:
What families? Gay couples cannot produce children nor should they be allowed to adopt and be given the opportunity to indoctrinate future generations in their wickedness.
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That’s all very nice, but the fact is, gay couples are permitted to adopt, and such families do exist. If you want to argue the nomenclature, be my guest, but these families do exist, and an unstable family structure is bad for children, whether the parents are opposite-sex or same-sex.
 
Catholic13 said:
I’ve been thinking about this, are there any benefits to society from gay marriage?
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It could in a sense be “beneficial” if people eventually recognize it as a failed experiment. But that will depend on people being perceptive and rational.
 
The only benefit is from those societies which have done it in the past to act as a witness as to why we should not do it now.
 
ServusHumilis said:
What families? Gay couples cannot produce children nor should they be allowed to adopt and be given the opportunity to indoctrinate future generations in their wickedness.

This is no reason to redefine marriage which in turn gives the appearance of encouraging such disordered behaviors.
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I’m not advocating redefining marriage, or pushing for it, or supporting it. I’m simply answering the question. It’s the only benefit I can see in the upcoming/ongoing clash with radical Islam over a number of issues like freedom of speech, shariah law, the treatment of women etc. I do not believe it is of sufficient benefit to justify gay marriage, but it would be a benefit.

I disagree on the stability of the family because children do far better with a mother and father in an intact home. Something that a gay couple can not provide. Unfortunately we do not yet have the data to show what the statistics will be for children raised by gay couples. That social experiment has not been underway long enough. I suspect it will be like those of children raised by single mothers- greater involvement in violence as both victim and perpetrator, greater rates of substance abuse, greater rates of physical/sexual and emotional abuse, earlier sexual activity and promiscuity etc. But that won’t be known for a while. The factor of a large percentage being the products of surrogate mothers/sperm donors is a huge unknown. Will most have degraded self-images knowing they were simply a commodity to at least one parent? That they meant nothing emotionally to the parents involved in creating them? Time will tell.
 
AyJSimon said:
Married couples (gay and straight) are more incentivized to stay together, which is often good for maintaining stable families. Also, if you happen to believe that married people cheat less often than unmarried people in relationships, allowing gay marriage would confer that benefit onto society as well.
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I agree that married couples are more incentivized to stay together and practice marital fidelity…but that does not hold true for gay relationships. Studies show that gay couples who claim to be in a magnanimous relationship actually agree to “open relationships” thereby accepting other partners. This is hardly a benefit or a stable relationship. There is no evidence that gays will behave any differently if they call their relationship a “marriage”.
 
MarcoPolo said:
It could in a sense be “beneficial” if people eventually recognize it as a failed experiment. But that will depend on people being perceptive and rational.
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I doubt they will, there hasn’t been any acknowledgement of the failed experiment that is ‘no fault’ divorce…
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
I agree that married couples are more incentivized to stay together and practice marital fidelity…but that does not hold true for gay relationships. Studies show that gay couples who claim to be in a magnanimous relationship actually agree to “open relationships” thereby accepting other partners. This is hardly a benefit or a stable relationship. There is no evidence that gays will behave any differently if they call their relationship a “marriage”.
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I was not suggesting that being married confers a monogamous impulse on those who are not otherwise suited for monogamy. It doesn’t. What I was suggesting is that some people are very well-suited for monogamy, but that even the strongest relationships encounter tough times. There are even days when a couple feels like breaking up is a better option than staying together. If you’re not legally married, then that becomes much easier to do.
 
Catholic13 said:
I’ve been thinking about this, are there any benefits to society from gay marriage?

{it must be a benefit exclusively because of gay marriage}
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Umm…

It provides an actuarial benefit to those in gay relationships, improves their stability of life, reduces the health costs to society, encourages monogamy, fidelity, and commitment, and it provides stability to the lives of children who are already adopted by gay couples.

But we should always be vigilant and remember that the fact that gay marriage brings with it multitudes of goods does not negate the fact that it is immoral vis-a-vis its encouragement of gay sex. Consequentialists on this board may disagree with me, but an evil act need not have evil consequences. Therefore, we should be discussing the religious prohibitions on it, not the pretend consequences people want to read into it.

Once again:

The morality of an act is not dependent on its consequences.
 
Nothing that is intrinsically wrong can benefit the society.

Apart from that, gay marriage isn’t marriage and cannot be.

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SMGS127 said:
Umm…

It provides an actuarial benefit to those in gay relationships, improves their stability of life, reduces the health costs to society, encourages monogamy, fidelity, and commitment, and it provides stability to the lives of children who are already adopted by gay couples.

But we should always be vigilant and remember that the fact that gay marriage brings with it multitudes of goods does not negate the fact that it is immoral vis-a-vis its encouragement of gay sex. Consequentialists on this board may disagree with me, but an evil act need not have evil consequences. Therefore, we should be discussing the religious prohibitions on it, not the pretend consequences people want to read into it.

Once again:

The morality of an act is not dependent on its consequences.
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You need to start praying the rosary and stop defending gay “marriage.” It’s sad to see you in every thread about homosexuality, defending something evil.
 
Catholic13 said:
You need to start praying the rosary and stop defending gay “marriage.” It’s sad to see you in every thread about homosexuality, defending something evil.
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How am I defending gay marriage?

I just said it brings goods with it. So does contraception. These goods just come to society in an unhealthy manner that encourage sexual immorality.

We don’t have to shut off our intellect in order to be Catholics. We can defend Christ’s teachings without suggesting gay people are the Hurricane Katrina of sexual immorality.

The morality of an act is independent of its consequences.
 
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