Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[jcrichton]

before the "gentiles’’ or unsaved, even one that says salvation is with the church as emphasis, as opposed to emphasis on person and acts of Jesus ?

Really, Jesus Taught to gather around His Person and Acts?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Most P churches would never say that about their church.

This is because they do not believe in St. Paul’s Teaching that the Church Founded by Christ is Christ’s Body.

They must negate such Belief in order to authenticate their group’s claim to being the/a church of God.

Consider their “love” and “union;” they believe as the Jehovah Witnesses that all that it takes is to be of “like mind” and that any differences are to be simply ignored or disqualified as a qualifier (get it? Division is not really division, it’s just another version of genuineness).

Many ex catholic say they later find Jesus in other churches, that they did not find Him in all the religious and rituals of Catholic life.

Again, it goes to authenticity–though some goes to ignorance. How can they leave the Body of Christ for a lesser body and claim “we’ve/I’ve arrived” if they first not disown/disqualify their previous home-address?

Coincidentally, have you not noticed that these (“Catholics” that leave the Faith) become the most prolific and staunch anti-Catholics?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Yes!

Yet, as all illnesses, there are levels within levels.

A person can be depressed and still live a normal life. A person can be slightly depressed and not suffer much of the illness. a person can be acutely depressed and give up on life. A person can be frozen in depression or could become so conflicted and violent that he/she may only see death as an answer.

This latter version of depression was visited upon a few people in the last week or so as both a mother and a father took their child’s life and killed themselves–and two seemingly wealthy and celebrated geniuses took to suicide as the answer to their ills.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[guanophore]

Really, Jesus Taught to gather around His Person and Acts?

I think He did, but I don’t think this was ever separated from the Church He founded until the Reformation.

He is the vine, and we are the branches. We remain in Him to have abundant life. Greater things that He did will we do, etc.

 

[jcrichton]

Yes. In that respect (vine and branches); however, the Protestant view is that it is Jesus alone and/or Scriptures alone.

Since they reject the Catholic Church as the Body of Christ they do not view Being in/with Jesus as being in His Body, the Church (as St. Paul explains it).

Still, Christ’s Great Commission is not that they call people to be around Him and/or His Acts/Action (being Christ-like or behaving in a Christ-like manner). The Great Commission is to go out Teach and Baptized–by necessity this requires indoctrination into a Body, does it not?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[feed_me]

Again are you truely sure that depression is a mental illness and not an effect of unresolved anger, i mean if you are depressed what was the event that made you angry in the first place?

 

[mcq72]

No, He said He is the way…we are people of the Way.

 

[guanophore]

Again are you truely sure that depression is a mental illness and not an effect of unresolved anger, i mean if you are depressed what was the event that made you angry in the first place?

Unresolved emotions can certainly contribute to depression and despair.

 

[jcrichton]

I’ve known people who become shut-ins as they are frozen by depression; some who have given themselves to drugs and alcohol; even in hs I directly intervened in a young woman’s life as she was just a few tears away from committing suicide; not all who suffer from depression become angry and turn against other people; yet, sadly, many do become self-destructive.

Depression eats away human dignity and value causing the sufferer to seek death as the only means to stop the pain.

There was an old slogan that ma bell used: “reach out and touch someone,” in my estimation our culture has moved away from such simple means of keeping a person grounded–reach out and share human dignity (love) with others–it could well bring some who are at the brink of destruction back from their depression and into Life.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

But what does that mean?

Me and Jesus or me and Jesus’ other Followers (the Church: His Body) with Jesus?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mcq72]

Adj. In that respect (vine and branches); however, the Protestant view is that it is Jesus alone and/or Scriptures alone.

well, i think they mean Jesus are now the definitive branch to abide in, personally and corporately…perhaps they disagree with those who say Jesus and the church are the branch, and we are to personally abide in them

 

[mcq72]

Since they reject the Catholic Church as the Body of Christ

again i think they reject the CC as the head of the body, or visible head, or calling the the body Catholic as opposed to thosee called out ones, of which CC is part of

 

[mcq72]

not that they call people to be around Him and/or His Acts/Action (being Christ-like or behaving in a Christ-like manner)

It is notbeing like Him but rather abiding in Him first and then you will be transformed into His image…and what is this about the Eucharist and its centrality to Catholocism…being more than just being around Christ and His “acts”?

 

[mcq72]

Both …personally and corporately in Christ

 

[mcq72]

The Great Commission is to go out Teach and Baptized–by necessity this requires indoctrination into a Body, does it not

The baptism puts one in the body, where we are then indoctrinated into His ways

 

[jcrichton]

But it is Jesus Who Called man to be part of His Body, the Church.

To exist outside of the Body is to ignore Jesus Call to Be One.

Sure anyone can claim anything; Jesus warned that thems times would come when they would call out and deceive even the elect, if it were possible.

Be warned, I have foretold you (the Christ is here, in the desert…); so pay no heed! (paraphrased)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

It is about obedience and continuance; once cannot abide in the Body by rejecting the Body.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Yet, that is not what is being sought since there’s an active struggle against being in the Body.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

…till you get to the other circle where it is required that you be rebaptized or that you reject the baptism or that you hold different tenets of beliefs or that you incorporate the latest tenets being scripted or that…

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[guanophore]

they disagree with those who say Jesus and the church are the branch, and we are to personally abide in them

Is it possible to separate Jesus from His One Body, the Church?

Acts 22:4 I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering to prison both men and women,…

Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting to his death. (Saul Persecutes the Church)
And on that day a great persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem; and they were all scattered throughout the region of Judea and Samar′ia, except the apostles. 2 Devout men buried Stephen, and made great lamentation over him. 3 But Saul laid waste the church, and entering house after house, he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.

Acts 9:5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting;

It seems clear from the Scriptures that Jesus does not separate Himself.