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rcwitness
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You were Baptized into the Catholic faith. You are Christian by Baptism. The Quaker sect is another thing.
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Alex337
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Close. There are Christian Quakers. I have explained that I follow Christ. And I do take grave offense when you seek to tell me I don’t.
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jcrichton
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So you are not stating that all unions are brought together by God, correct?
…as for the abusive relationships… the issue depends upon several factors: did the victim go in eyes-wide (having full knowledge of the abusive spouse’s tendencies) or was he/she deceived? Then there are a number of factors that mitigate the issue.
Finally, the problem does not lie with the divorce but with the “marriage.”
Catholics and other Christians want to put aside the Sacrament only to jump into another relationship asap!
Maran atha!
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…as for the abusive relationships… the issue depends upon several factors: did the victim go in eyes-wide (having full knowledge of the abusive spouse’s tendencies) or was he/she deceived? Then there are a number of factors that mitigate the issue.
Finally, the problem does not lie with the divorce but with the “marriage.”
Catholics and other Christians want to put aside the Sacrament only to jump into another relationship asap!
Maran atha!
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Alex337
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I don’t think abuse victims understand that when they are with their abuser. They can understand their spouse hits them; but they’ll wrongly believe they deserve it, or their spouse didn’t mean to, or they’ll change.
Oh and no, I never said all unions were.
Oh and no, I never said all unions were.
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jcrichton
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This is not a chatroom.
Anyone who enters the site and offer up their posting have to contend with those, like me, who are responding to their posting.
Maran atha!
Angel
Anyone who enters the site and offer up their posting have to contend with those, like me, who are responding to their posting.
Maran atha!
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Alex337
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Sure. It was a suggestion. You’d likely have more fun with that conversation.
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Alex337
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Time for me to sleep. Night, guys.
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jcrichton
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Again, it is not about conversing.
If that’s all that it took I would not be here.
People who frequent these forums are varied–some are confused, some are seeking clarity, some are seeking consensus, some are seeking acclamation, some are genuinely offering their word as sound teaching, some are consciously using erroneous teachings as sound… then there are the true unsuspecting and vulnerable who would take that which seems appealing as the basis for their formation…
I visit the forums in order to offer what the Holy Spirit Guides me to offer.
Maran atha!
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rcwitness
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I think you should try to understand that I am doing my best to represent the Catholic faith.
Baptism, by water and Spirit, is necessary to follow Christ, according to our faith, and so be rightly called Christian.
You may not believe this, but it is our faith.
The necessity is not absolute, since if by no fault of their own a person is unaware or unable to receive Holy Baptism. The Baptism of desire is already a willing Spirit of God in them! However, when a person is made known of the Sacrament, and has the ability to seek and receive, this is necessary in order to follow Christ and so be called a Christian.
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Wannano
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Sometime I would like an answer to my question in post 2888 from a Catholic out there.
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Wannano
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Is it fair for you to call our teachings false and then criticize us for doubting if it is really the Holy Spirit speaking to you?Alex337:
Again, it is not about conversing.
If that’s all that it took I would not be here.
People who frequent these forums are varied–some are confused, some are seeking clarity, some are seeking consensus, some are seeking acclamation, some are genuinely offering their word as sound teaching, some are consciously using erroneous teachings as sound… then there are the true unsuspecting and vulnerable who would take that which seems appealing as the basis for their formation…
I visit the forums in order to offer what the Holy Spirit Guides me to offer.
Maran atha!
Angel
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rcwitness
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Evidence must show that an impediment existed before or at the time of vows.rcwitness:
It seems strange that if such evidence exists years later that it was not apparent to the Priest at the time of the marriage. Is there no screening and questioning done by the Priest to determine the validity of the couple. ?
There is no inquisition before marriage, but maybe some priests are better at discerning the situation and personal things of candidates. But remember, it is the priesthood of each couple which confers Christian marriage on one another.
The Catholic Church recognizes a Christian marriage between two Baptized believers. They are married in the Lord already, and would not need to marry again.
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Fauken
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Six months of marriage prep is generally required. During this time, a member of the clergy (priest or deacon) talks with the couple and, along with making sure they know what they’re getting into, tries to determine if there could be anything that could prevent their marriage from being valid.
If it’s a civil marriage, they would need to make it sacramental and have a Catholic wedding ceremony. If it was a marriage in another denomination, it may need to be convalidated.
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rcwitness
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I wish this was accurate in practice. By the number of annulment which are being declared, we don’t seem to be doing a good job at this!
A non Catholic Baptized couple married civilly would need convalidation after joining the Catholic Church?
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Fauken
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Well, I hate to say it, but the couple can always lie. I remember a deacon once telling me that he was doing marriage prep with a couple, one Catholic, one non-Catholic. When he told the Catholic that he had to raise his children Catholic, the non-Catholic piped up and said, “What?! You said we wouldn’t!”
Before, yes. Or rather, it’d get started before they joined. It would be part of the RCIA process.
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rcwitness
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Yes, it’s a messy Christianity we live in!!
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jcrichton
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Well, yes.
Show me where I’ve made a statement that is not backed by Apostolic Teaching.
That’s the difference from claiming the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit/Christ.
We cannot all be right–yet, we can only go back to Apostolic Teaching to measure the correctness/definition of our claims.
When I or anyone circumvent Christ, it cannot be the Guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Maran atha!
Angel
Show me where I’ve made a statement that is not backed by Apostolic Teaching.
That’s the difference from claiming the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit/Christ.
We cannot all be right–yet, we can only go back to Apostolic Teaching to measure the correctness/definition of our claims.
When I or anyone circumvent Christ, it cannot be the Guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Maran atha!
Angel
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rcwitness
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Before what?
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Fauken
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Before the Rite of Initiation.
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rcwitness
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Are u sure a convalidation is what is done?
I thought a two validly Baptized non Cat Christians do confer the Sacrament on one another, even in a civil service?
I thought a two validly Baptized non Cat Christians do confer the Sacrament on one another, even in a civil service?
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