Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

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He calls believers to serve the Church. That calling is filtered through each individuals biases, life experiences, pride and vainglory. Individuals who have never known Christ or the Father can still answer their call to the best of their ability - that is root of all Pagan religions. Those who know Christ but not his Church can still serve, but their call must ultimately lead to communion.

All souls in Heaven are members of the Catholic Church, after all.
 
And protostants arent, or should i say those that served God on this earth but were not catholic never made it to heaven?
 
runningdude said:
All souls in Heaven are members of the Catholic Church, after all.
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Kindly disagree (OT folk were not Catholic…even first church was Jewish)…but if I run with it, then being Orthodox or Protestant saints is irrelevant in the final outcome.
 
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runningdude said:
He calls believers to serve the Church. That calling is filtered through each individuals biases, life experiences, pride and vainglory. Individuals who have never known Christ or the Father can still answer their call to the best of their ability - that is root of all Pagan religions. Those who know Christ but not his Church can still serve, but their call must ultimately lead to communion.

All souls in Heaven are members of the Catholic Church, after all.
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On another thread I watched Pope Francis assure a young boy that his father was in heaven even though he was an unbeliever since he had his children baptized. I never realized that allowing your children to be baptized makes you a member of the CC.
 
feed_me said:
Your replies are no different then the homeless bum that sits on the street and begs for money but not willing to put in any work. No different then the people who cheat their way through life.
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You are a veritable paragon of Christian charity! I am sure everyone will know you are a Christian by your loving way with others!
Wannano said:
On another thread I watched Pope Francis assure a young boy that his father was in heaven even though he was an unbeliever since he had his children baptized.
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You might want to watch it again. He actually never said that. He came short of it, saying what the Church teaches, is that we leave them to the mercy of God.
Wannano said:
I never realized that allowing your children to be baptized makes you a member of the CC.
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It makes THEM members. The Pope said that the father loved his children enough to have them baptized, even though he was an unbeliever. He said such a father would not want to ever be far from his children. He did not say he was assured of heaven.
 
I asked for a reference yesterday, so do you have anything?
 
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Not sure what part of “it’s the weekend” you didn’t get but yes; it’s the weekend and I have friends over and reports to write, both are more important than you.

In the meantime check out Iqbal Masih.
 
mcq72 said:
Just that, and more.
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I guess it’s possible that someone who has been given apostolic authority isn’t necessarily good. Something tells me you aren’t referring to scriptures that critique succession.
 
The Sacrament of Baptism is the initiation into the body of Christ. All those who are validly Baptized are rightly called Christian. This establishes an indelible mark on our soul, and does not ever need to be repeated.

This does not guarantee one will always follow Jesus. An example from Scripture is Simon the Magician.

This is true with all the Sacraments. I’ve related how Jesus’ Teachings about Marriage recognize that a Christian Marriage is indissoluble. A person may civilly divorce and remarry, but Jesus says it is adultery, because they are still married in the Lord.

The same is true with Baptism. A person is Christian by Baptism, but if they leave the Church and espouse another religion they are committing spiritual adultery. They are living at odds with the Lord who sanctified them. Reconciliation is needed to return to His grace.
 
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feed_me:
Your replies are no different then the homeless bum that sits on the street and begs for money but not willing to put in any work. No different then the people who cheat their way through life.
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You are a veritable paragon of Christian charity! I am sure everyone will know you are a Christian by your loving way with others!
Wannano said:
On another thread I watched Pope Francis assure a young boy that his father was in heaven even though he was an unbeliever since he had his children baptized.
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You might want to watch it again. He actually never said that. He came short of it, saying what the Church teaches, is that we leave them to the mercy of God.
Wannano said:
I never realized that allowing your children to be baptized makes you a member of the CC.
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It makes THEM members. The Pope said that the father loved his children enough to have them baptized, even though he was an unbeliever. He said such a father would not want to ever be far from his children. He did not say he was assured of heaven.
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I read some quotes that had Pope Francis saying he is in heaven. Then it appears like you say, he stopped short of actually saying it. The inference was strong, and Pope Francis gave what he could to the boy. It wasn’t a time to discuss purgatory. He told the boy to talk and pray to his father. He definitely gave the boy the impression his Dad was ok because although he was an unbeliever, he had a good heart, a fathers heart like God has a fathers heart, so God would not let him be to far away from Himself.

If one can trust the message of the Pope, and believe the Church’s stance that unbelievers are left to the mercy of God and that there is eternal hope for them based on earthly actions like having your children baptized, , then there must be even more hope for us dedicated and sincere Christians who are not in Communion with Rome than total unbelievers. Heaven is not for Catholics only.
 
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mcq72 said:
The Word should do that , even His written Word.
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Yet, His Word states that He will Remain with the Church till the end of times and that the other Paraclete which He will Send will abide with and in the Church; that the world cannot Know Him because it did not accept Jesus and cannot accept Him because of its rejection of Jesus… Jesus did not state ‘the Word which I’ve spoken and the Word which is Written.’ He actually states “Me and the Holy Spirit, in the Church” (paraphrased) That’s why we have the Unfolding:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. (1 Timothy 3)
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Which follows the previously established:
18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. (St. Matthew 16)
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Maran atha!

Angel
 
Yes, I stated the Holy Ghost and the written Word as bieng crucial for magisterial guidance today
 
rcwitness said:
As long as there are not criticisms of the faith.
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The problem is that, in my experience, Catholics do not enjoy such respect from most “inter-faith” experiences; the main goal seems, almost always, to advance their agenda (which often includes liberating/saving Catholics from their “error” [Catholicism]).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Some might say the ultimate cherry pick. I dont know at the moment but I think “rock” references Christ and God 39 times in the bible, and only Him, save for this one 3rd century ongoing Catholic application.

Christ is also referenced as both petros and petras.
 
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Wannano said:
The inference was strong, and Pope Francis gave what he could to the boy.
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I do think he encouraged the child to believe his father was in heaven. He ended by telling the child to pray to his father, which would be of no use if father were not in heaven. That being said, many people pray (talk) to lost loved ones that may not be in heaven. The Church teaches that no such prayers are wasted, and will be applied to another soul.
Wannano said:
the Church’s stance that unbelievers are left to the mercy of God and that there is eternal hope for them based on earthly actions like having your children baptized,
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Each soul will be judged according to their conscience. We all have a responsibility to seek after God. Some choose not to do so. Some seek fervently, but miss the mark. We have no way of knowing about this father, but I see a vast number of Protestants that are fervent about their faith, and follow with devotion what they believe God wants from them.
Wannano said:
Heaven is not for Catholics only.
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It is, but not all are members of the visible Catholic Church. 😁
 
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