Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[jcrichton]

Why is it that the human beings, all claiming to be following Scripture Alone, end up on opposite sides of the issues?

…well, they are no longer opposite sides they are “differences” that can be put aside to form one “faith”/“body,”–outside the Catholic Church, of course!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

I can believe this, I can believe that, I can pick and choose and define everything according to my private interpretation.

It is the ‘feel-good’ theology that non-Catholics have embraced for decades and now even some “Catholics” seem to be lapping it up.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

And protostants arent, or should i say those that served God on this earth but were not catholic never made it to heaven?

This is another great divide.

While most non-Catholic religions claim to know who is in Heaven (or Heaven bound or Saved) and who is in hell or hell bound, the Catholic Church Teaches that only God Knows this and that man cannot know for certain who is/will be in Heaven or hell.

However, as you’ve noted previously, even “Catholics” will fall short of that Heavenly trip as Jesus clearly states that not all who claim Him as Lord will be Saved–not even those who may find themselves professing Christ through their “knowledge” of Scriptures or superhuman abilities:

21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. (St. Matthew 7)

Why would Jesus reject and even chastise as wicked those claiming Him, professing Him, performing signs in His Name, and preaching in His Name?

Could it be that they are doing so as the Pharisee in the Temple tooting his own glory and vilifying the publican? Could it not be that they are performing all sorts of gestures to be seen by man and ignoring Christ’s Command to Love one another and to be one with each other in Him as He is One with the Father?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

(OT folk were not Catholic…even first church was Jewish)…

You must be reading the wrong Bible.

Do you recall what was told to Moses?

Do you recall what Jesus stated?

Do you recall the Great Commission?

All of it is about the Universal Body of Christ: Catholic!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

On another thread I watched Pope Francis assure a young boy that his father was in heaven even though he was an unbeliever since he had his children baptized. I never realized that allowing your children to be baptized makes you a member of the CC.

The Pope may be taking liberties… however, the fact remains, as St. Paul stated, that those in the Faith can indeed be the bridge for those who are outside of the Faith. Since it is the Holy Spirit that Searches the most inner depth of man, how do we know (or not know) if that action (allowing his children to be Baptized into the Body of Christ) was not the catalyst for the Holy Spirit to convict that man’s spirit and bring him to the Fold?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

If one can trust the message of the Pope, and believe the Church’s stance that unbelievers are left to the mercy of God and that there is eternal hope for them based on earthly actions like having your children baptized, , then there must be even more hope for us dedicated and sincere Christians who are not in Communion with Rome than total unbelievers. Heaven is not for Catholics only.

Exactly!

Yet, why would I settle form crumbs when there’s a table with the Full Loaf right in front of me?

…and one must also be aware that working towards a goal is not the same as working against a goal; if I choose to lose weight I cannot eat healthy meals three times a day buffered with all sorts of junk food in between meals and after diner pig outs.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Wait, so you actually believe that Jesus changes Simon’s name to Cephas (Rock) only to then turn around and say, ‘Simon you are Rock but on this Rock (pointing to Himself) I will build My Church?’

Wow, you’re as bad as the ones claiming that Jesus was pointing to “the rock” a local landmark–by the way, has anyone uncovered the remnant of that church edifice which Jesus founded on that landmark?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

yet there I stand.

…so you are your own immovable rock/female?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Wait.

So if they had been partaking correctly (no drunkenness, no pigging out) then St. Paul would not have believe that Breaking of the Bread meant partaking of the actual Flesh/Body and Blood of Christ?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

So you reject St. Paul’s claim that Breaking of the Bread is actually taking part of Jesus’ Actual Flesh/Body and Blood? (1st. Century Christianity)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

That is why the Holy Ghost penned it in Greek, that can show such distinction.

What distinction is that?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

All the validly baptized are members of the Church of Christ and also the catechumens. Do you mean the Catholic Church when you state “outside of the Church”?

Catechism

I mean that regardless of what the Catholic Church Teaches, which includes the Catechism, those outside the Catholic Church who seek to legitimize their faith group as the “true” church of God, reject being part of the Catholic Church–some would even argue that they are the catholic church and that the Catholic Church is not even Christian.

This is similar to what sometimes is said from the pulpit: ‘we are all children of God.’

Clearly those who reject God do not accept such term–and Scriptures are clear that not all can/will become children of God (just because of the flesh–being human) since only those who Believe in the Word Incarnate, in His Name, are granted the Gift to Become God’s heirs.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[leonhardprintz]

jchrichton you’re coming close to spamming this thread, please stop, the past fourteen posts are from you.

 

[leonhardprintz]

In the response to the OP, no I don’t think God calls people to seperate themselves from Him. I believe that would be impossible.

 

[jcrichton]

Let’s see, spam:

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Please show how replying to various posts (from around 300 posting) is defined as spamming and/or show how I’ve been irreverent/inappropriate and indiscriminate.

If there is a rule that I can only respond to 1 post per day, please let me know so that I can refrain from posting on this site.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[rcwitness]

That is why the Holy Ghost penned it in Greek, that can show such distinction.

The Holy Spirit did not “pen” anything. He inspired the authors to do so.

We do need to consider languages have their limitations. The Greek is the inspired text, for sure. But when the Church interprets Scripture, she must sometimes consider factors such as Aramaic was the original. And we should not form doctrines out of isolated texts.

 

[Vico]

…

The Catholic Church has spoken on these issues:

The term “Church” in reference to the oriental Churches separated from full communion with the Catholic Church

“Because these Churches, although separated, have true sacraments and above all – because of the apostolic succession – the priesthood and the Eucharist, by means of which they remain linked to us by very close bonds”[13], they merit the title of “particular or local Churches”[14], and are called sister Churches of the particular Catholic Churches…because of the division between Christians, the fullness of universality, which is proper to the Church governed by the Successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him, is not fully realised in history.

Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century

These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery[19] cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called “Churches” in the proper sense…

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...ith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

 

[guanophore]

That is why the Holy Ghost penned it in Greek, that can show such distinction.

If there were such a one, this would have been made clear to the Apostles. If not before His crucifixion, then in the 40 days after. They all looked to Peter to lead them and be the visible sign of unity. Even Paul, who was collected after the fact by Jesus, wanted unity with the apostles who were in unity with Peter.

 

[guanophore]

All the validly baptized are members of the Church of Christ and also the catechumens. Do you mean the Catholic Church when you state “outside of the Church”?

Those who reject the Catholic doctrine and refuse to be visible members of the CC.

 

[mcq72]

You must be reading the wrong Bible.

Do you recall what was told to Moses?

Do you recall what Jesus stated?

Do you recall the Great Commission?

All of it is about the Universal Body of Christ: Catholic!

Again, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant…man made names, and understandably so.

Won’t go by those names in heaven.

You want to use “catholic” as adjective (universal), fine.