Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[rcwitness]

I’ll answer this if you answer mine: Do you believe God calls Catholics to be preachers and teachers in churches separated from holy communion with all non-CC Leaders?

I will gladly, but im not sure what you mean???

 

[tgGodsway]

I think in the mind of most Catholics on this site, the protestants are out of communion only. The Catholics are in the true communion, therefore only the protestants should submit and come in line with the Catholics.

But if you will step back and look at the picture from a biblical point of view, both sides should submit to each other and consider each other better than themselves. Isn’t this what Christ taught?

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

No of course, just when dealing with those who claim they only have all the truth.

Its the Church who has the deposit of faith, since She has His Body and Blood.

I have a few acquaintances who insist they have the only true church and the fulness of truth and they are not Catholic.

 

[tgGodsway]

Yes Wannano, you make my point. I too know protestants who are just as zealous to make a claim to the “true Church.” Yet are we not all “living stones” (meaning members of His body) in one house of God? see Peter’s perspective in 1st. Peter 2:5

 

[rcwitness]

I think in the mind of most Catholics on this site, the protestants are out of communion only. The Catholics are in the true communion, therefore only the protestants should submit and come in line with the Catholics.

But if you will step back and look at the picture from a biblical point of view, both sides should submit to each other and consider each other better than themselves. Isn’t this what Christ taught?

The Catholic Communion is the one true body and blood of Jesus. Nobody should submit to Catholics or Protestants, only to Jesus and His Teachings.

I never stepped away from Scripture, except when I push the Lord away to chose sin. And for that I ask all the faithfull to forgive me and pray to God for my help.

 

[mcq72]

Absolutely, and, as @Brittany stated so well, He allows many things to occur for His glory and for the prompting of the Holy Spirit to draw them to the fullness of truth.

Yes, and as Paul says about the jews and their temporary blindness, for our sake for, and for us to provoke them to jealousy…as to P and C thing, it is just a matter of opinion as to whom the Lord is drawing to whom, and or to which side of any contested issue, but for sure, if one really cares deep down , more to CHRIST HIMSELF.

 

[rcwitness]

Yes Wannano, you make my point. I too know protestants who are just as zealous to make a claim to the “true Church.” Yet are we not all “living stones” (meaning members of His body) in one house of God? see Peter’s perspective in 1st. Peter 2:5

If we are all stones of one building, then why are we divided?

We should all be of one mind and judgment. I submit to the Church founded on Peter and the Apostles, and those leaders who are undivided from their succession. But not for their sake, but for Christ.

You can criticize Catholics who abuse what they have all you want. And u may be justified. But unless you partake of the one Eucharist, who are you, but someone who is not made subject to Christ first, and then able to point other’s faults?

 

[tgGodsway]

Nobody should submit to Catholics or Protestants, only to Jesus and His Teachings.

I think you misunderstand what I mean. In order for protestants and Catholics to come together it will require humility on both sides. This humility is based on scriptures like, Phil. 2:3,
“Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.”

For example: If the Pope in Rome would come together with the leading Evangelicals in the US, for instance, and treat each other as if each one is better, this would be the first step in the direction of Christ.

 

[rcwitness]

…as to P and C thing, it is just a matter of opinion as to whom the Lord is drawing to whom, and or to which side of any contested issue, but for sure, if one really cares deep down , more to CHRIST HIMSELF.

No, its not an opinion. Its part of the Catholic faith. His Eucharist is where all the faithful are called to partake. Not a matter of opinion.

 

[mcq72]

But if you will step back and look at the picture from a biblical point of view, both sides should submit to each other and consider each other better than themselves. Isn’t this what Christ taught?

Didache (i think), “Do not schism, but pacify those that contend”

 

[mcq72]

No, its not an opinion. Its part of the Catholic faith. His Eucharist is where all the faithful are called to partake. Not a matter of opinion.

Ok…I thought the thread was about being in union with the bishop of Rome, that kind of Holy Communion…have only read that last few posts, so not sure if it was clarified.

Ok just read your post #10

But you also just posted we should submit to one another…but that does not include each others eucharisting then ?

Never meant to eucharist or not is a matter of opinion,agree, as you said, we are all called to that table.

 

[adf417]

adf417:

Wannano:

Someday we will all find out what the truth really is.

This is a very troubling statment! I hope you dont use it when you are discipling those who are searching for God.

Peace!!!

No of course, just when dealing with those who claim they only have all the truth.

Catholics do not claim to have all the truth, only the fullness of truth revealed. Two different things. If this is not to be known by the body of Christ what is the purpose of revealing it?

Peace!!!

 

[tgGodsway]

If we are all stones

Why would you start your sentence with IF WE ARE LIVING STONES…? We are living stones even if you or I do not believe it. We are so, because God’s word says we are. We “Should” be all of one mind and judgment, but we are not yet. Not even Catholics are of one mind and judgment. If you think you are, you are mistaken. Just because an official teaching comes out of the RCC for all to believe, doesn’t mean all do, nor does it mean all agree. You will accept it, yes… because you do not want to be in a position to NOT accept it. I understand. But just on this site alone, there are many contrary opinions and perspectives on any given subject, all coming from Catholics to Catholics.
Protestants are the same… Christ prayed that we would become “one” and we are. We are one Church, we are of one body, we have one faith, one baptism etc. but to think that we will all share the same exact perspectives about God to the point that it is almost like communism, is not possible until Christ comes again and we are glorified together with Him.

see. Eph. 4:5.

 

[rcwitness]

rcwitness:

If we are all stones

Why would you start your sentence with IF WE ARE LIVING STONES…? We are living stones even if you or I do not believe it. We are so, because God’s word says we are. We “Should” be all of one mind and judgment, but we are not yet. Not even Catholics are of one mind and judgment…

Ha, very crafty of you! I said:

“If we are all stones of one building, then why are we divided?”

I dont doubt we are all living stones. I doubt that a divided house is because of Jesus’ building.

His house is built on Himself. “Himself” is given to us in the Sacrament of His Eucharist!

This is why I choose to be of one mind and judgment of the Church who gives me His body and blood AND the Sacred Scriptures.

We believe all are called to this Church! No matter how much of the Gospel is accepted and preached, refusing His body and blood is never justified!

 

[rcwitness]

Since you’re the one complaining about it, you can take it up with God when you meet Him.

Complaining? Just pointing out that you are contradicting your own faith tradition.

 

[Wannano]

tgGodsway:

rcwitness:

If we are all stones

Why would you start your sentence with IF WE ARE LIVING STONES…? We are living stones even if you or I do not believe it. We are so, because God’s word says we are. We “Should” be all of one mind and judgment, but we are not yet. Not even Catholics are of one mind and judgment…

Ha, very crafty of you! I said:

“If we are all stones of one building, then why are we divided?”

I dont doubt we are all living stones. I doubt that a divided house is because of Jesus’ building.

His house is built on Himself. “Himself” is given to us in the Sacrament of His Eucharist!

This is why I choose to be of one mind and judgment of the Church who gives me His body and blood AND the Sacred Scriptures.

We believe all are called to this Church! No matter how much of the Gospel is accepted and preached, refusing His body and blood is never justified!

Why then if we should not submit to either Catholics or Protestants but to Christ’s teachings does the Catholic Church refuse His body and blood to non-Catholic believers? No matter how much of the Gospel is accepted and preached, refusing His body and blood is never justified?

 

[rcwitness]

Why then if we should not submit to either Catholics or Protestants but to Christ’s teachings does the Catholic Church refuse His body and blood to non-Catholic believers? No matter how much of the Gospel is accepted and preached, refusing His body and blood is never justified?

Why would a believer want the Catholic Eucharist but still wish to be a non-Catholic?

Is that not a harlot?

 

[steve-b]

I love all the teachings of the Catholic Church.

steve-b:

I will keep my answer too that point

lilypadrees:

"I said that Rev Graham was called by God to remain a Protestant preacher. He wasn’t called to convert and become Catholic. God did, however, give him the grace to understand our Catholic beliefs."

rcwitness:

This contradicts Catholic Teaching!

lilypadrees,

Keeping this to the teachings of the Church, and your response above emphasized, where you think Billy was given the grace to understand Catholic beliefs, and chose to remain Protestant on God’s leadership

I would just provide this response

From: paragraph 14 of Lumen Gentium, Vat II http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...s/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

“Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.”

 

[lilypadrees]

lilypadrees:

Since you’re the one complaining about it, you can take it up with God when you meet Him.

Complaining? Just pointing out that you are contradicting your own faith tradition.

Who are you to judge? I have spoken the truth, a truth you don’t like hearing. God did not call Rev Billy Graham to become a member of the Catholic Church. He used him the way He wanted to. And Billy Graham answered and obeyed His Master’s Call.

Whether you like it or not, had Billy Graham converted, he might not have reached the number of people God wanted him to reach. Do you not know of the prejudices of Protestants against Catholics in the 1950s-70s? There is still prejudice against us today but not as much as back then. I lived it even tho one of my parents was a Protestant.

Rev Graham reached the people he reached because he wasn’t Catholic. God uses people where they are. He planted Billy Graham in the Southern Baptist church. His hellfire and brimstone style of preaching wouldn’t have worked in the Catholic Church. His Crusades wouldn’t have drawn the crowds they did had he been Catholic.

Sadly, the Catholic way of preaching doesn’t do it for everyone. Those people are the type you find in the tent revivals. At least, you did when I was growing up. I don’t know if the tent revivals still exist. They were common place here. And if you had the right preacher, you had a huge number coming up to get saved during the altar calls. Billy Graham was that kind of preacher. He was on fire for the Lord.

Yes, he’d have made a wonderful Catholic. But that wasn’t his calling. His calling was preaching the Gospel the way Southern Baptist preachers do.

I’m sorry that’s not good enough for you. But it’s the truth. God planted Billy Graham where and the way He wanted him. The Holy Spirit worked in him and through him to bring people to Jesus who might not have come otherwise.

 

[rcwitness]

Who are you to judge? I have spoken the truth, a truth you don’t like hearing. God did not call Rev Billy Graham to become a member of the Catholic Church. He used him the way He wanted to. And Billy Graham answered and obeyed His Master’s Call.
Whether you like it or not, had Billy Graham converted, he might not have reached the number of people God wanted him to reach. Do you not know of the prejudices of Protestants against Catholics in the 1950s-70s? There is still prejudice against us today but not as much as back then. I lived it even tho one of my parents was a Protestant.
Rev Graham reached the people he reached because he wasn’t Catholic. God uses people where they are. He planted Billy Graham in the Southern Baptist church. His hellfire and brimstone style of preaching wouldn’t have worked in the Catholic Church. His Crusades wouldn’t have drawn the crowds they did had he been Catholic.
Sadly, the Catholic way of preaching doesn’t do it for everyone. Those people are the type you find in the tent revivals. At least, you did when I was growing up. I don’t know if the tent revivals still exist. They were common place here. And if you had the right preacher, you had a huge number coming up to get saved during the altar calls. Billy Graham was that kind of preacher. He was on fire for the Lord.
Yes, he’d have made a wonderful Catholic. But that wasn’t his calling. His calling was preaching the Gospel the way Southern Baptist preachers do.

I’m sorry that’s not good enough for you. But it’s the truth. God planted Billy Graham where and the way He wanted him. The Holy Spirit worked in him and through him to bring people to Jesus who might not have come otherwise.

I dont need to judge. You have said it yourself. You have claimed to accept all Catholic Teachings, yet contradict a very important one!

Why would i think i am worthy to judge you? I, and our Lord, know myself, and I will confess to break many Catholic Teachings!