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lilypadrees
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I am not Billy Graham’s judge, steve-b. God is. Not all Protestants convert and become Catholic. I am content just knowing that God gave him the grace to understand our beliefs and teachings.
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rcwitness
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If you are not Billy Graham’s judge, then why do you assert that He went and did everything God wanted him to???
How do you know where God told him to go???
Our Catholic faith says God calls all to the Sacrament!
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lilypadrees
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I do accept all Catholic teaching. But I also know that not everyone views the Catholic Church as I do. Because I have seen, experienced and lived with the teachings of both sides, I have a unique perspective of things. What you see as me contradicting my own faith tradition is in reality, me showing understanding about Protestant preaching and teaching. I don’t have to agree with the way they preach and teach to understand it.
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lilypadrees
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I am not his judge. But I know He did as God commanded because I felt the Holy Spirit working through him. He went where God wanted him to go.He preached the Gospel the way God wanted him to. And he did a mighty fine job of it too.lilypadrees:
If you are not Billy Graham’s judge, then why do you assert that He went and did everything God wanted him to???
How do you know where God told him to go???
Our Catholic faith says God calls all to the Sacrament!
If you were to read one of the posts I made earlier today, I explained the difference in the way Catholics and Protestants view the Eucharist.
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rcwitness
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That is a bunch of jargon. You are trying to excuse yourself from rejecting a Catholic Teaching, on grounds that you are “Protestant enlightened”.
I was raised Non-denominational. I believed the Gospel message at the age of reason through the preaching and Scripture reading in that church! I helped their youth ministry even after I was Baptized and Confirmed Catholic! Ive gone to conferences and bible study groups with only non-Catholic Christians. My whole family is Protestant. I am a God parent to my Lutheran niece. She just had First Communion, and I ent to the service.
You should not think you are more Protestant enlightened than others.
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lilypadrees
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You have the right to your opinion.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
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rcwitness
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Wow!..
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rcwitness
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None of your opinions change the fact that you have blatantly contradicted Catholic Teaching.rcwitness:
I am not his judge. But I know He did as God commanded because I felt the Holy Spirit working through him. He went where God wanted him to go.He preached the Gospel the way God wanted him to. And he did a mighty fine job of it too.lilypadrees:
If you are not Billy Graham’s judge, then why do you assert that He went and did everything God wanted him to???
How do you know where God told him to go???
Our Catholic faith says God calls all to the Sacrament!
If you were to read one of the posts I made earlier today, I explained the difference in the way Catholics and Protestants view the Eucharist.
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MichaelP3
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I have seen so MANY times on here that it is incomprehensible for many Catholics to even start to fathom that a non-Catholic can understand Catholicism and not be Catholic.
Great posts btw. You give me hope!
Great posts btw. You give me hope!
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lilypadrees
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Thank you. MichaelP3.
God bless you.
God bless you.
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LilyM
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Of course it’s comprehensible - for starters those who are too cowardly or puffed up with pride or lazy to change will refuse to do so even if it is needful.
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MichaelP3
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Who in their right mind would “know” this and not be Catholic? To me it really seems like you are missing the point of faith. How do you know this without somewhere going back how many times not at some point need to rely on faith.
So do not make the fallacious assumption that this is the case as a matter of fact.
We all take it by faith in some way or another. And I have no idea why that writing is applicable at all.
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MichaelP3
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Your reply proves my point.
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LilyM
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Yes of
Yes of course, everybody’s beautiful in their own way, truth is relative, and God rejoices over the divisions among those who call themselves members of His body.
Can you imagine how far the Apostles would have got treating the Judaisers among them as if their views were valid and right? Paul didn’t teach “oh, it’s perfectly fine that some of you are still insisting on circumcision and kosher laws…” did he?
Yes of course, everybody’s beautiful in their own way, truth is relative, and God rejoices over the divisions among those who call themselves members of His body.
Can you imagine how far the Apostles would have got treating the Judaisers among them as if their views were valid and right? Paul didn’t teach “oh, it’s perfectly fine that some of you are still insisting on circumcision and kosher laws…” did he?
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MichaelP3
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Honestly, I am totally unsure how this relates to the original post from me you responded to. Actually you totally went off.
I was more saying you prove my point in the sense that (and this is a common idea here) that one can understand Catholicism but won’t be Catholic because of Pride (a very common one) or laziness (quite new, I give you that).
SO yes. I stand by my point. And I say Graham is a good example regarding the thread. Please please please do not become one of those Catholics on here who believes that one cannot be non-Catholic and understand Catholicism?
(Take note, the same arguments can be used either way. Depending what side you are they sound equally shocking …)
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I was more saying you prove my point in the sense that (and this is a common idea here) that one can understand Catholicism but won’t be Catholic because of Pride (a very common one) or laziness (quite new, I give you that).
SO yes. I stand by my point. And I say Graham is a good example regarding the thread. Please please please do not become one of those Catholics on here who believes that one cannot be non-Catholic and understand Catholicism?
(Take note, the same arguments can be used either way. Depending what side you are they sound equally shocking …)
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rcwitness
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I dont know how that would be difficult to understand at all.
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mcq72
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The ultimate “got ya”. Is it spiritual or is carnal ? I mean early on did we not resort to excommunicating one another over which apostles’ date to celebrate the glorious resurrection? And the Dominicans and Franciscans went at it pretty good against each other over the IC with “got ya’s” also. Is it an “offer”, “one can’t refuse” , to win any argument?
Of course we all have criteria we think God will use on that great judgement day, or even upon our death, and rightly so. I think we also understand the legitimate “fear of God” and consequences for our actions/beliefs. Just wondering if it is not better to put forth the case for our point/faith, and let it stand on its own, without adding any “got ya’s”. Yet let everyone do and act according to their faith and light (key word “their”). It is revealing.
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steve-b
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the statement began by stating it takes from scripture and tradition.steve-b:
Who in their right mind would “know” this and not be Catholic? To me it really seems like you are missing the point of faith. How do you know this without somewhere going back how many times not at some point need to rely on faith.
So do not make the fallacious assumption that this is the case as a matter of fact.
We all take it by faith in some way or another. And I have no idea why that writing is applicable at all.
I’ve posted the evidence many times for that statement and where it comes from in scripture and tradition all properly referenced. NOTHING in there was my opinion.
looking at the 1st 4 centuries, (highly condensed given limits for space / post) I posted the following answer on another thread
3 links for space to give the answer too that teaching using the scriptures + tradition
"Trail of Blood" Baptist - #60 by steve-b link 1
"Trail of Blood" Baptist - #61 by steve-b link 2
"Trail of Blood" Baptist - #62 by steve-b link 3
When someone knows about the Catholic Church, as it was said in the paragraph quoted, and then refuses to enter or to remain in it, (the Catholic Church) they could not be saved.”) Those 3 links above, show why that is. NONE of that is my opinion
This is not rocket science. Protestantism is a 100% man made tradition started in the 16th century. Anyone can go back in history to see when and who, invented every single sect within Protestantism.
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steve-b
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steve-b:
The ultimate “got ya”. …
There is another paragraph from Lumen Gentium http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_c...entium_en.html that addresses the topic
Paragraph 28 (for space I had to use a fraction of the text)
“…Because the human race today is joining more and more into a civic, economic and social unity, it is that much the more necessary that priests, by combined effort and aid, under the leadership of the bishops and the Supreme Pontiff, wipe out every kind of separateness, so that the whole human race may be brought into the unity of the family of God.”
meaning NO prelate in the Church OR any Catholic layperson in general, is to encourage in any way, or tell one who is separated from the Catholic Church, that their separateness from the Catholic Church is OK, or from God, or no big deal, or say just be a good separated brother/sister of whatever stripe, and the Church says they are okay…
Here’s another reason from scripture
The only Church Jesus established on Peter and those in union with him is The Catholic Church.
The condemnation for division from the Catholic Church came from Jesus who does NOT approve of division and wants perfect unity John 17:20-23 # SEARCH jn 17 , and since the HS only teaches what comes from Jesus John 16:12-15 Douay-Rheims Bible, John Chapter 16 and Jesus wants perfect unity, no one then can say the HS or Jesus inspired THEM, to divide, or inspired all the dissensions / divisions / schisms we see today in Christianity today from the Catholic Church.
There is no expiration date to that warning and condemnation against division. Those who do it and keep it going, once one knows the truth of their condition, that is their own division from the Catholic Church, and it’s condemnation, (seen in scripture and Tradition) and they don’t end their division, then they can’t be saved. That is from scripture and tradition.
846 Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 846 .
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jcrichton
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…yeah, in as much as I believe that the Holy Spirit’s Works is to deny/reject/countermand Jesus’ Word: ‘…be one in Me as I and the Father are One.’
Maran atha!
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Maran atha!
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