Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

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mcq72 said:
Seems like a hierarchical institution is what it is all about, this Body of Christ…but thank you that we are not judged by what “card” we carry, save that it be stamped by the Blood, nor the rewards and jobs we have in heaven.
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Since you are insisting on a load… here’s one, what is really scary for me is that one day there will be a “Christian” body that will vote God out of office (oh, wait, most non-Catholics and many Catholics reject Jesus’ Mandate to not get divorced and remarried and divorced… and have sexual relations all over the place… and…); and what is really scary is that atheists don’t need to sell such values anymore; “Catholics” and “Christians” are not only buying but also selling them!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
rcwitness said:
Evangelicals… What are “tangible expressions of the Gospel”??
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Being the hands and feet of Christ to the world. It is based on true love and service to mankind. I am part of the Canadian Foodgrains Bank organization. A farmer will designate a field of land which is set aside for the purpose of local farmers working together to seed, grow and harvest a crop, so they come together on appointed days to accomplish this with many combines, trucks etc . The larger community is given the opportunity to “purchase” an acre of land by cash donation which provides the farmer who donated the land usage his usual rent. The farm equipment dealers, seed and fertilizer companies, grain purchasing companies co-operate by providing seeds, fertilizer and other (name removed by moderator)uts free of charge. The grain company will accept the grain the day of harvest so there is no storage complications. The grain cheque is made out to the Foodgrains organization which then ends up being matched by governments at a ratio of 4:1. The proceeds are used to provide starving people in other countries with actual grain produce for human consumption.

This popular joint effort was first iniatiated by the Mennonite Church and now is a joint effort involving Catholic and non-Catholic farmers representing most churches. It has been accepted as a very practical and tangible expression of the Gospel in western Canada.
 
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I meant when the Evangelicals call the bread and wine tangible expressions of the gospel
 
rcwitness said:
Do you see the bread and wine as tangible expressions of the gospel?
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In the church I attend we have weekly communion (shocking I know!). The preacher usually says something like, “If you are a visitor today we hope you hear the gospel in our worship and songs, learn the gospel through the preaching and teaching, and see the gospel in the bread and cup because the bread and cup show us that Christ body was broken and beaten for our salvation”.
 
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rcwitness:
Do you see the bread and wine as tangible expressions of the gospel?
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In the church I attend we have weekly communion (shocking I know!). The preacher usually says something like, “If you are a visitor today we hope you hear the gospel in our worship and songs, learn the gospel through the preaching and teaching, and see the gospel in the bread and cup because the bread and cup show us that Christ body was broken and beaten for our salvation”.
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Yes. Interesting. Do the bread and wine show this? Or do we already know this before the Rite?
 
rcwitness said:
Do you see the bread and wine as tangible expressions of the gospel?
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They are tangible expressions of the Gospel in that they represent His broken body and blood which serve as a reminder that we have died with Him, are resurrected with Him and are incorporated into the Body of Christ.
 
rcwitness said:
Yes. Interesting. Do the bread and wine show this? Or do we already know this before the Rite?
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Well, He usually also adds something like “The Bread represents the Body of Christ that was broken for us and the cup represents the Blood of Christ that was poured out for us”. Sometimes he will read the last supper narrative to explain the meaning of the bread and cup for any who are unfamiliar with what we are doing.

We do not have a formal liturgy so it varies from week to week and from speaker to speaker.

But we know that the body and blood show the sacrifice of Christ because we have been taught it does and we want others, who haven’t been taught that, to understand and see it as well.
 
I believe there are two things being representing in the bread and wine. Receiving the Word of God, and accepting God’s own sacrifice for our forgiveness/life.

Jesus IS the Word of God who became that sacrifice!

Literal bread and wine were actually the anti-concept of what Jesus talked about in John 6

So why did He use the anti-concept for us to remember His literal body and blood?
 
rcwitness said:
So why did He use the anti-concept for us to remember His literal body and blood?
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I don’t know. But he told us that as often as we partake of the bread and wine to do it in remembrance of Him and that as often we do it we proclaim (make known) the Lord’s death until He returns.

Any answer I give would be pure speculation.
 
rcwitness said:
I believe there are two things being representing in the bread and wine. Receiving the Word of God, and accepting God’s own sacrifice for our forgiveness/life.

Jesus IS the Word of God who became that sacrifice!

Literal bread and wine were actually the anti-concept of what Jesus talked about in John 6

So why did He use the anti-concept for us to remember His literal body and blood?
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The answer that keeps coming to me is that He meant it to be symbolic. (I am now running for cover!).
 
rcwitness said:
I believe there are two things being representing in the bread and wine. Receiving the Word of God, and accepting God’s own sacrifice for our forgiveness/life.

Jesus IS the Word of God who became that sacrifice!

Literal bread and wine were actually the anti-concept of what Jesus talked about in John 6

So why did He use the anti-concept for us to remember His literal body and blood?
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If receiving Jesus and accepting God’s own sacrifice for our forgiveness are represented in the bread and wine why is Transubstantiation necessary?
 
So literal bread was opposed to what He was telling us to eat, in John 6… right?

Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world

He is talking about the Word of God. Or the Teaching of God. Literal bread does nothing for eternal life.

Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you

Yet Jesus establishes the Communion meal with literal bread and wine! Yes Wannano, they have symbolic value! But without the Word making them non-ordinary bread, but His flesh which actually accomplished the work of God, they remain the food that perishes.

So why does Jesus use food that perishes to symbolize His eternal sacrifice?

I say because it IS a tangible expression of Jesus! Not just a symbol, but made the actual thing it symbolizes, because where and from whom we receive this bread and cup has the Teaching of God available. And we give thanks for this life which the literal flesh and blood which the Word became gave us!
 
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“rcwitness said:
So why does Jesus use food that perishes to symbolize His eternal sacrifice?
Like you say the Bread from Heaven is His teaching, and we are to consume it. John 6.

Jesus uses food that perishes to symbolize His eternal sacrifice because it is a call to Remembrance.
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