Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

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jcrichton said:
If you do not accept the “concept” of Christ Body/Flesh and Blood being the form which nourishes His Followers I do not have a problem with that; my problem is with your teaching that it is not Jesus’ Body/Flesh and Blood but a symbol that nourishes His Followers.
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Ok. Just that i see two different nourishments from two realities. The bread for physical, and its spiritual reality feeds the spirit.
 
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I agree, and neither should the head tell the toes they aren’t needed.
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Is the nose allowed to tell them they are stinky? 😆
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The nose tells them that all the time, but they overlook it patiently. They have come to accept that he is kind of snotty most of the time! 😏
 
God calls us to perfect unity, unity in word, will, truth and charity.

God doesn’t call us to a fake or feel good or sentamentalist unity.
 
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The nose tells them that all the time, but they overlook it patiently. They have come to accept that he is kind of snotty most of the time! 😏

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Eeks…you are right , other communions must seem foreign…I can only say by your description of these foreign foods your past tastes have hindered you from appreciating them for what they are (but not from what they are not). Some foods have to grow on you then.

We don’t taste 18th or 20th century, special occasions, everyone partaking, politically correct, but yes palatable, as truth and spirit should be.
 
jcrichton said:
Yet not one of them would eat/chew the Flesh nor drink the Blood; not even if “symbolically!”

Maran atha!

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Correct, Jews (including Jesus and the apostles and the first church /members) would not eat human flesh , nor drink blood, but symbolically yes, with the understanding that the symbols remain in substance (bread and wine).
 
rcwitness said:
What do you mean by “incarnate”?
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to take on human flesh…the “incarnation”

I posted why become incarnate then later "hide’ in the bread and wine, not visible to human flesh…I mean He came to reveal himself, and finally quite openly , even “naked”, on the cross, lifted up, for all to see.
 
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Because the incarnation was to become man, and take on the flesh in order to reconcile flesh to God.

Communion is not a re-incarnation. Its not to reveal Himself, but for us to gather to Himself, while doing so by faith and not carnal sight.

We go to Him there, to give thanks. But if it were not more than our giving thanks, then why are we receiving something? And if we are giving thanks for His life and death, why are we receiving carnal food?

Therefore, this food should be regarded as separate from carnal food, though it is real food, and regarded as what Jesus called it: His flesh.

Why did Jesus not reveal His divine nature to people? Because He desires faith. To hear the Words and see the works He spoke and did and believe that He is not just a wise and good man, but actually above humanity, yet being humble because of His love for humanity, is overcoming the need for carnal proofs. Those who do so, demonstrate and participate this faith in His Communion (save for those who do so unworthily).
 
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rcwitness said:
And if we are giving thanks for His life and death, why are we receiving carnal food?
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I dont know. Why do they eat food at Passover ? Is it like killing two birds with one stone (spiritual and bodily food)? How much nourishment could there be in a chunk of bread and a sip of wine ? I don’t know…Martyr brought it up in the quote I posted way back
rcwitness said:
Therefore, this food should be regarded as separate from carnal food, though it is real food, and regarded as what Jesus called it: His flesh.
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Of course the food is no longer"common", as Martyr puts it, whether you believe a substance change or a symbolic connotation…a change has occurred.
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Why did Jesus not reveal His divine nature to people? Because He desires faith. To hear the Words and see the works He spoke and did and believe that He is not just a wise and good man, but actually above humanity, yet being humble because of His love for humanity, is overcoming the need for carnal proofs. Those who do so, demonstrate and participate this faith in His Communion (save for those who do so unworthily).
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Well, the participation is one of thanksgiving, by faith and I would also say for that faith (secondarily…to Calvary).

And He does reveal himself to people and that thru faith, which is by grace, and only possible thru the new birth.

One must be born again to “see” His divinenss, to have, be granted, pleasing faith.

I understand faith is necessary to see Him in the Eucharist, and I say any interpretation requires faith. Would only say that no faith is bigger or more important than being born again, that seeing Christ more and more in truth and understanding thereafter is also expected.
 
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mcq72 said:
I dont know. Why do they eat food at Passover ? Is it like killing two birds with one stone (spiritual and bodily food)? How much nourishment coyld there be in a chunk of bread and a sip of wine ? I don’t know…Martyr brought it up in the quote I posted way back
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The amount of physical nourishment is not important, the significance is in the figurative aspect of nourishment. The Spiritual nourishment is the purpose. “Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.”

This was first expressed by Moses concerning the Manna given while the Hebrews were hungry.
Of course the food is no longer"common",as Martyr puts it, whether you believe a substance change or a symbolic connotation…a change has occurred.
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A symbolic connotation does nothing to the bread, but if God remembers His work on Calvary, we believe something is happening. Its not only about our rememberance, but God’s rememberance too. Very significant.
I understand faith is necessary to see Him in the Eucharist, and I say any interpretation requires faith.Would only say that no faith is bigger or more important than being born again, that seeing Christ more and more in truth and understanding thereafter is also expected.
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You are contrasting things that should not be. Faith is how things of God are perceived. This is a gift from God thru grace. We dont have the ability to see God without Him giving the sight of faith. However, we can close ourselves to this sight by relying on our flesh and blood (carnal) sight. Being born again is both receiving this sight and acknowledging (when of age of reason) this sight, thru willful conversion and cooperation of action.

By this faith (sight) we see and acknowledge in action, that Jesus’ flesh and blood was obedient in all things to the Spirit, and so is the power of God to those who believe.
 
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rcwitness said:
A symbolic connotation does nothing to the bread,
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Correct, still not common…has a “connotation”…that we eat

As pointed out by others, cloth, thread, and dye are not common anymore when connoting a flag, that we salute.
rcwitness said:
Its not only about our rememberance, but God’s rememberance too.
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not sure we have gone over this , but disagree, pretty sure the Sealer of a covenant does not forget.

The ritual is for us , to remember…just like the Sabbath was for us, not God.
 
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mcq72 said:
Correct, still not common…has a “connotation”…that we eat. As pointed out by others, cloth, thread, and dye are not common anymore when connoting a flag, that we salute.
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Hmmm. So would you say you worship God through the bread and wine? Or maybe venerate the images?
not sure we have gone over this , but disagree, pretty sure the Sealer of a covenant does not forget. The ritual is for us , to remember…just like the Sabbath was for us, not God.
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But we know that at times, God “remembered” things. Its not that He forgot, but that He applied something to the moment in time of men.
 
mcq72 said:
I posted why become incarnate then later "hide’ in the bread and wine, not visible to human flesh…I mean He came to reveal himself,
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c’mon now. You might as well ask, why become incarnate and then later leave, coming back someday but 2000 years …I mean He came to reveal himself:😉
 
rcwitness said:
Hmmm. So would you say you worship God through the bread and wine? Or maybe venerate the images?
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Not sure where this is coming from, no . Is remembering worshiping? I do not worship what I remember or the conveyance thru which it is remembered. We worship not the cross but who was on it. We do not worship the blood but whose it was.

Thru the elements ? Not sure. Yes He is pleased by the ritual, and we definitely praise and worship Him thru and in the ritual, the thanksgiving. Our sacrifice is the praise, layed at His feet.
 
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Benadam said:
c’mon now. You might as well ask, why become incarnate and then later leave, coming back someday but 2000 years …I mean He came to reveal himself:
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Well, He did incarnate, cause we (the apostles/disciples) saw it, then leave (bodily), cause we (the apostles /disciples) saw it. All faith in what we see, and see by faith…understand some claim to see one more reality (in the elements), which others do not, and is the division worth it, not seeing an effectual difference?

I mean are communicant views effecting differences in the true monstrance of Christ, His believers ?
 
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Aside from Transubstantiation of Communion, do you believe the Word of God became flesh and blood?

Then how do you say you dont worship His body and blood?
 
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