Jews (including Jesus and the apostles and the first church /members) would not eat human flesh , nor drink blood, but symbolically yes, with the understanding that the symbols remain in substance (bread and wine).
I think this is why they were so scandalized in John 6. It not only violated their religious sensibilities, but their human sensibilities.
But they did not believe they elements remained the same in substance, as is clear from the writings of the Ante-Nicean fathers. They just did not overthink it and “explain” it the way we do now in Western Christianity.
And He does reveal himself to people and that thru faith, which is by grace, and only possible thru the new birth.
True, but there was nothing about His physical body (before resurrection) that looked any different. No one would notice that He was Divine in His physical presence based on His appearance.
I understand faith is necessary to see Him in the Eucharist, and I say any interpretation requires faith.
Yes, I think we are all in agreement on this point.
Would only say that no faith is bigger or more important than being born again, that seeing Christ more and more in truth and understanding thereafter is also expected.
It is certainly the essential beginning, since without it, one cannot perceive the Kingdom!
As pointed out by others, cloth, thread, and dye are not common anymore when connoting a flag, that we salute.
I guess you are saying that, once these are combined in a certain way, they are no longer “common”? This does not make sense to me. But I do agree, when assembled into a flag, the flag has a meaning to us that all the random parts do not.
understand some claim to see one more reality (in the elements), which others do not, and is the division worth it, not seeing an effectual difference?
it must be, since this is what we received from the Apostles.
I mean are communicant views effecting differences in the true monstrance of Christ, His believers ?
Clearly they do, or we would all be visibly one.
