Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[jcrichton]

Oral does not become obsolete by writ, rather becomes ruled by it,even preserved by it…why does man kick against the goads?

But even when the Sacred Word of God tells YOU (yeah I mean you, but also all who believe they find the narrows of the Written Tradition as the Whole of the Truth) that not everything has been Written you fail to accept God’s Terms: Oral Tradition is not trumped by Written Tradition, they work together!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

against the goads?

Sorry, I missed it on the first take… against what?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Was Jesus hard on the Pharisees because they did not understand the Revelation of God or because they really did understand but did not want to accept it as it was given but rather using it for their own interest, power and privilege?

Exactly!

Jesus fully knew that they were circumventing God’s Revelation:

23 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone. (St. Matthew 23–the whole chapter)

Man continues to put aside God’s Word in preference of his own interpretation of God’s Word.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mcq72]

The problem with that is that you do not throw out the baby with the water–this is in effect what has been done in the name of “reformation.”

Sounds familiar, because the water had been dirtied with 30,000 denominations out goes the baby too!

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

Was Jesus hard on the Pharisees because they did not understand the Revelation of God or because they really did understand but did not want to accept it as it was given but rather using it for their own interest, power and privilege?

Exactly!

Jesus fully knew that they were circumventing God’s Revelation:

23 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone. (St. Matthew 23–the whole chapter)

Man continues to put aside God’s Word in preference of his own interpretation of God’s Word.

Maran atha!

Angel

Thank you for your honesty!

 

[jcrichton]

testify to it, and declare to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us

Nowhere in Scriptures will we find that everything has been set in the Written Tradition.

Rather we find that, right from Sacred Writings, the Truth is being Unfolded by the Holy Spirit and the Church, the Body of Christ, is changing according to this Unfolding. We also see, right from the New Covenant’s Writings that heresies emerge challenging the Teaching of Christ, Who, through His Apostles, is Bringing the Kingdom of God to the word.

This is where selective reading, exegesis, and rampart eisegesis make void the Word of God in preference for a ‘feel-good theology.’

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

What you (CC) propose is that the Word of God be ruled by that the Holy Spirit and that only thru Rome and by others but only when they concur with Rome, including any reform, and that only of practice, (due to infallible reception of doctrine, by Rome only).

When “Rome” dictates Doctrinal Teaching in light (Obedient) to Christ’s Teaching (Apostolic Teaching).

Your problem (you and non-Catholics) is that you have divorced yourself from the Church, dismantled all of Church history prior to Luther, and hold Luther and his flawed interpretations as sound doctrine (now, before you explode, just look at how fast Luther’s rebellion became the axis of further rebellion to the point of today’s myriad of splinters which all hold themselves as the inspired body of Christ).

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

…and I respect your belief; so why are you hounding a Catholic site, should you not be promoting your beliefs on your own site?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mcq72]

So they continue to hold “intelligentsia” as the governing means.

Lol…yeah, don’t they know the CC only holds the true “intelligenstia”/magisterium, with "get togethers"and votes and consensus.

 

[jcrichton]

Actually not!

The 30,000 plus have seen to that by making their own definitions.

Some quickly point to the disciples desire to exterminate those who were using Jesus’ Name while separated from the body because Jesus states that those that are not against Him are with Him.

Yet, when the Holy Spirit descends upon Israel He does not descends and enters all of the Jews… He does not even enters in all of the devote Jews and non-Jews; He enters only in those that were gathered with the Apostles (200 or so).

The Holy Spirit is not controlled by man–it is He Who determines who, what, and when.

So when man takes it upon himself to reinvent the wheel, the claim of “inspired” does not automatically make it so:

21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. (St. Matthew 7)

Jesus also said that those who do not gather with Him (as above) scatter.

Does scatter points to unity or division?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Actually not!

While you hold that Knowledge of God is determined by intelligence (everything is found in Scriptures–through man’s interpretation, of course); we hold that it is God Who Reveals and Unfold Truth. We ascertain our validity through the Teaching of the Apostles, through time and space not just some preconception of some Luther or Calvin or Smith…

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[PastorJames]

Well, I have a lesbian aunt who, after coming out, stopped attending church whatsoever, until her girlfriend introduced her to a liberal Protestant church. Now she has a better relationship with God than she ever would have in the Catholic church, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. If one can have a better relationship with God in a non-Catholic church, I’m sure He’s all for it, as long as the church believes in Jesus Christ in one way or another.

 

[rcwitness]

So this so called Christian Church approves of her living a homosexual relationship, and that is being closer to Christ?

 

[PastorJames]

Yes, because she doesn’t feel welcome in the Catholic church. Believe me, I don’t approve of her homosexual relationship either. But, being straight, I don’t know what she’s had to deal with, so I can’t judge her. John 8:7 says “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” This church, although it approves of her relationship, meets her where she’s at, something the Catholic church can’t do for her. And she can grow closer to Jesus this way, because as long as she’s hearing the gospel, so be it. The Sacraments are a privilege, the Gospel is a right.

 

[rcwitness]

This Church is being the devil.

The Catholic Church recognizes homosexuality is not sinful in itself, but acting on it instead of living in abstinence is serious sin which breaks the relationship with Christ!

So approving of her receiving Communion is anti-Christian, if she is commiting sins against Him without turning from them

 

[jcrichton]

Of course, she is the pope of her own faith-base.

You claim to speak for God as a “pastor” and you state that God is all for whatever (hey isn’t that a song by Shakira?)

Yet, it is Jesus that says ‘not whatever:’ (paraphrased)

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. (St. Matthew 7)

Cain offer to Yahweh God a ‘whatever’ offering; when he saw that God was pleased with Abel’s offering, did Cain seek to offer God a better offering or did he simply made himself God’s spoke’s person and killed his competition so that God would have to accept the only offering around?

If you represent God you cannot be a friend to the world (well, you can but in truth you do not represent God–St. Matthew 7); God has presented His Commands–man cannot dictate to God what He must accept:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: 19 Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable…
22 For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. 23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves…
26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error…
29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. 32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them. (Romans 1)

You are teaching error and you dishonor the title you have given yourself.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Yes, because she doesn’t feel welcome in the Catholic church. Believe me, I don’t approve of her homosexual relationship either. But, being straight, I don’t know what she’s had to deal with, so I can’t judge her. John 8:7 says “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

…so if I were to make money by bouncing old people around, as long as I bring some of it to a “church” God is good with me and choice of lifestyle–and you wont judge cause you’re not a thief, right?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[PastorJames]

I’m not a pastor; that’s just my nickname.

 

[jcrichton]

John 8:7 says “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

How can you be a “pastor” missing the whole Teaching of this passage?

Jesus is not condoning sin. Rather, He is checking their purported thirst for “justice.” They were not seeking to rectify the sin/error being committed as they purposely only brought the woman (caught in the act of adultery) to be Judged. Her co-adulterer was given full amnesty.

Yet, even when you attempt to turn God’s Word against God it only works if you stay within the confines of your selective narrative… Jesus, after noting that her accusers had disbanded, said to the woman:

Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more. (John 8:11b)

Do you suppose that Jesus is saying go an sin some more? Well, that is exactly what you are saying, 'homosexuals, as long as you find a place where you are welcomed, do not change your ways, simply go an sin some more, ‘cause Jesus liberates us!’

Your ‘feel-good theology’ is sending people right to hell, in a hand-woven basket.

Please seek the Holy Spirit Guidance so that you do not continue to fight Jesus!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

But it is the name you’ve chosen for yourself… it denotes (at least in desire/intent) authoritative knowledge and teachings.

Maran atha!

Angel