Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[rcwitness]

Wannano:

The other two claim that if the Scriptures were sufficient, anybody who reads them would become a Christian. I do not follow their reasoning but yours makes sense to me. Thanks.

I hope you don’t mind Wannano if I post how I think of sufficiency of the Traditions

If 1000 years ago all the Christians disappeared, taken off the earth, and all that was left were their bibles. Would the Church survive? Would there be a saving faith on earth today?

if all the bibles disappeared off the earth would the Church survive?

To be fair, I really dont care for wild “what if” scenarios.

What if a man was alone in a secluded tribe, and discovered a written Gospel?

We already know that a man can be saved with any amount of knowledge he posseses.

What Scripture is, is a written testimony of the revelations of Jesus Christ! Within Scripture is contained a treasure of Truth, knowledge, wisdom, and power to those who believe.

 

[Benadam]

To be fair, I really dont care for wild “what if” scenarios.

What if a man was alone in a secluded tribe, and discovered a written Gospel?

We already know that a man can be saved with any amount of knowledge he posseses.

What Scripture is, is a written testimony of the revelations of Jesus Christ! Within Scripture is contained a treasure of Truth, knowledge, wisdom, and power to those who believe.

I thought it was fair. Your comparisons don’t really compare since there is a universal dimension to my ‘what if’ scenario. I think a generalization of all what if scenarios is unfair.

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

The other two claim that if the Scriptures were sufficient, anybody who reads them would become a Christian. I do not follow their reasoning but yours makes sense to me. Thanks.

I hope you don’t mind Wannano if I post how I think of sufficiency of the Traditions

If 1000 years ago all the Christians disappeared, taken off the earth, and all that was left were their bibles. Would the Church survive? Would there be a saving faith on earth today?

if all the bibles disappeared off the earth would the Church survive?

You raise an interesting question. I am going to give my honest answer but be prepared to not like it. If 1000 years ago all the Christians disappeared, taken off the earth, and all that was left were their Bibles , would the Church survive? If the Church means the Catholic Church contained within its current structure, no, I do not believe it would survive and be re-established to its current state. Would there be a saving faith on earth today? Yes, I believe there would be.

If all the Bibles disappeared off the earth would the Church survive? The Catholic Church may very well survive as a force within the realm of human religion but would soon lose its original purpose. Without the Bible, there would be no enduring saving faith.

Every Christian family is only one generation away from becoming apostate.

 

[rcwitness]

Under your “what if” scenario, God may have acted differently. Its like a whole different world!

If 1000 yrs ago, Christians “disappeared” there would be no Church.

 

[Wannano]

Under your “what if” scenario, God may have acted differently. Its like a whole different world!

If 1000 yrs ago, Christians “disappeared” there would be no Church.

“What if” scenarios may not be that helpful but are interesting. I agree with you that if 1000 years ago, Christians “disappeared” there would be no Church. That is logical. I have another scenario, what if 1000 years ago all Catholics would have “disappeared”, would the Church of God still remained on earth?

 

[Nicene]

You already gave the answer in post 2230

Peace and God bless
Nicene

 

[Nicene]

However in the above “what if” there would also be no people left. When Christ comes in the parousia for his bride, thats it, game over.
Only dispensrnationalism teaches differently.

Peace and God bless
Nicene

 

[Wannano]

However in the above “what if” there would also be no people left. When Christ comes in the parousia for his bride, thats it, game over.
Only dispensrnationalism teaches differently.

Peace and God bless
Nicene

Would you mind clarifying who you are addressing in the last two posts?

 

[Nicene]

You in the what if scenario you proposed.

Peace and God bless
Nicene

 

[Wannano]

You in the what if scenario you proposed.

Peace and God bless
Nicene

A direct answer to my “what if” would be a yes or no. No need to muddle it with anything else.

Or are you under the impression that 1000 years ago all people in the world were Catholics?

 

[guanophore]

I almost forgot when you asked does the Bible contain everything we need to believe in Jesus, I asked what was missing. It’s something that comes from a person, not the books, , it’s the first moment to faith, namely grace.

To cite Jesus: Jn 5:39 You search the scriptures, because that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Just something to ponder.

I would add that the main thing that is missing is the lens through which they should be understood. You have pointed out that everyone espouses a teaching authority, that of the father of their tradition, their pastor, or themselves. For Catholics, this lens is Sacred Tradition, which creates the boundaries on how the text is to be understood.

 

[Nicene]

1000 years ago there were only Catholics (and orthodox, whom I personally still consider catholic I.e. the church) Protestants didn’t exist yet. If they were gone the answer is found in Mt 24 and 1 Thes 4:13-18.

Peace and God bless
Nicene

 

[Wannano]

1000 years ago there were only Catholics (and orthodox, whom I personally still consider catholic I.e. the church) Protestants didn’t exist yet. If they were gone the answer is found in Mt 24 and 1 Thes 4:13-18.

Peace and God bless
Nicene

Hmmm, leaving for my heretical church now but I read that 1000 years ago there were other people concerned about living a Christian life other than Catholics. This was the time of Peter Waldo.

 

[guanophore]

Or are you under the impression that 1000 years ago all people in the world were Catholics?

Yes, pretty much.

 

[Nicene]

Actually they weren’t around yet either, not for another 122 years after that.

Peace and God bless
Nicene

 

[guanophore]

Hmmm, leaving for my heretical church now but I read that 1000 years ago there were other people concerned about living a Christian life other than Catholics. This was the time of Peter Waldo.

Certainly yes! But they were considered schismatics, heretics, or apostates.

There is no such thing as “heretical church”. People are part of ecclesial communities that have embraced heresies. Most of them don’t even know this has happened!

May God richly bless your fellowship and placing Him first in your day.

 

[Nicene]

Fwiw, outside the rigor of apologetics, Happy Pentecost, enjoy the day.

Peace and God bless
Nicene

 

[Agathon]

Most of the Apostles did not write anything.

What of Matthew and his Aramaic logia?

 

[feed_me]

@jcrichton

1. Here is the problem right there, not using sola scriptura is what allows non truth to creep in and pervert what is correct to something that isnt, you cant drink from the cup of the Lord and from the cup of demons.
2. I dont give a crap about there version of sola scriptura, if you listen to God and/or allow him to lead you to the truth you will be able to see right through all there crap.

1st. There is nothing wrong with sola scriptula, that is how you fight of demons that harrass you, aka sola scriptula is the sword of the Spirit, the word of God.

You seem to be confused, feed_me. The fact that the Scriptures are inspired and inerrant, and profitable to fight off demons, does not equal the heresy of Sola Scriptura.

Matthew 4: 1-11 I see that sola scriptula straight from the old testiment did some good there.

2nd. The protostants are split because not all are from God, but yet alot are false profits er I mean prophets and teachers that have their own agenda.

To be fair, one must acknowledge that everyone who espouses Scripture as infallible authority sees their beliefs as “from God”. Who are you to say that a person who has some beliefs from Scripture that are not like yours is not from God?

I do agree, though, there are many that have their own agenda, and not all of those are Protestant!

Again see my second reply above.

 

[guanophore]

What of Matthew and his Aramaic logia?

I think @mcq72 rejects that as authentic.

I dont give a crap about there version of sola scriptura, if you listen to God and/or allow him to lead you to the truth you will be able to see right through all there crap.

And what “crap” is that, exactly?

Matthew 4: 1-11 I see that sola scriptula straight from the old testiment did some good there.

You seem to be confused about the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, feed_me.