Not only an assumption but a credo: ‘if not found in Scriptures.’Yes, I think there is an assumption (as there must be for all those who embrace Sola Scriptura) that the whole of the Apostolic teaching is contained in them.
Do you read your words in your mind as you type them… you’ve just explained away the whole of Christian Faith outside of what is found Written in Scriptures as not important to Christianity by God’s own Determination.I only surmise that for sure that God chose to record that which was worthy and wise of Paul’s utterances
When did St. Paul state that they were sufficient?What I have described is what the CC calls material and “formal” sufficiency. St. Paul wrote that the Scriptures were sufficient to lead Timothy to faith in Christ. But only the Apostolic teaching could show Timothy how that Christian life was to be lived (formal sufficiency).
And what might that be? Do you think the Catholic Church has an “agenda”?crap meaning agenda.
If it were true that Jesus used “only” the OT scriptures, then most of our NT would be invalid.if you read matthew and read the scriptures the part where it says it is written and you look up those words that were written in the old testament, you will see it was the word of God that Jesus was quoting which is the scriptures in the bible, which he used only.
Tunnel vision is a required foundation for Sola Scriptura.Wow, talk about tunnel vision!
14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is inspired by God and[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." 2 Tim.Timothy how that Christian life was to be lived (formal sufficiency).
The Scriptures lead one to Christ for salvation, and Christ established the Church for salvation.
Since there were no other “Scriptures” upon which Timothy could be raised, Paul is undoubtedly referring to the Septuagint.Did St. Paul mean only the Old Covenant’s Writings?
It seems that Paul considered his writings as being on the same level as the oral teachings of the Apostles, though in that passage, he was referring only to the Septuagint, and the Sacred Tradition of his mother and grandmother (Jewish faith).Did St. Paul mean also the New Covenant’s even though they have not been Written/Compiled?
No, sorry.Do you see where I’m headed?
There are different levels of sufficiency. Surely you will accept that the NT is a collection of Catholic books, written by, for, and about Catholic faith. [For this reason, if St. Paul declares the Scripture sufficient to lead on to salvation then the Church will not teach otherwise.](http://14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is inspired by God and[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.)‘Scriptural sufficiency is a flawed construct brought forth by the solo Scriptura desire to remove Jesus’ Delegated Authority from His Founded Church.
What sola Scripturalist continue to ignore, either genuinely unaware or stubbornly rejecting, is the simplest of passages in the book of Acts that demonstrates that sola Scriptura does not work: the Ethiopian Official to whom the Holy Spirit sent/brought Philip, did he, from his avid reading of Sacred Writings determined that he needed to be Baptized to become part of the Body of Christ when he met Philip or was he walking as a blind man in the darkness of the Spiritual quest?Just something to ponder.
Maran atha!1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 St. John 4)
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign LORD who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. (2 St. Peter 2)
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…finally (this just chimed in), the false teachers, why were the Apostles Writing against their heresies? Was it not because they were taking the Written Word of God and attempting to pervert the Gospel (Good News) of Christ?:
Maybe and probably and also probably included some who were bringing in false traditions and pagan rituals.1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 St. John 4)
**1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign LORD who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been
What do you understand from this passage?Matthew 4: 1-11 I see that sola scriptula straight from the old testiment did some good there.
Depends on who is in what position of the church and what agenda that individual wants to push.Does th church have an agenda?
The problem is that not once did the Old Covenant nor the New Covenant made the statement: “sola Scriptura.”if you read matthew and read the scriptures the part where it says it is written and you look up those words that were written in the old testament,
Nope no ‘sola Scriptura’ in the Greatest Commission!18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” (St. Matthew 28)
Delegation of Jesus Authority to the Church.
The Command to Go and Preach (not go to Scriptures).
The Command to Go and Baptize.
The Command to Go and Teach.
The Command to Pass His Commandments.
The Command to Obey Jesus’ Commandments.
Jesus Promise to Remain in the Church till the end of age.
“To those knowledgeable of the the Lord’s precepts, keep them, as many as are written”, BarnabusWow, talk about tunnel vision!
**14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is inspired by God and[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." 2 Tim.
The Scriptures lead one to Christ for salvation, and Christ established the Church for salvation
Do you see how Jesus does not refer His Disciples to Scriptures but to the Guidance of the Holy Spirit–the same Holy Spirit that the world cannot see (Know)?15 If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. 17 The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you. (St. John 14)
Yet, he states: Scriptures are able–sufficient is taken by those who reject the Church’s Authority as ‘do not need anything else but,’ do you truly believe that St. Paul is making such statement?the Scripture sufficient to lead on to salvation
Do you truly believe that any aspect of the powerful life changing oral gospel was left out of Sacred Writings?the Gospels, do you truly believe that Jesus left the Church in the dark for decades till the Gospels were all Written and brought together as a compilation of the Gospel of Christ?
Notice the Writing… “false teachers” and “bring the way of truth into disrepute;” these are active works against the Truth… just as Satan, the murderer and liar from the Beginning, who took the Word of God and perverted its Teaching: ‘you should not die’ and ‘go ahead, do as I say, make bread out of rocks, jump from the tallest building, God will not let anything happen to you.’ (paraphrased)Maybe and probably and also probably included some who were bringing in false traditions and pagan rituals.