Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

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Alex337 said:
I think that’s far better than believing God wants people to remain with their abusers.
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What do you mean “remain with their abusers”?

I’ve already explained a civil divorce can be justified, which (in many countries) would ensure the safety of health and goods of the abused.

What is binding by God, is the Sacrament of marriage. This means a remarriage is impossible, though living separate may protect the abused, and the law of marriage is released only in death.

This was why adultery was punishable by death! It released the spouse from the law of marriage.

Now, we are in the New Covenant, and we all have a share in the priesthood of our Lord, Jesus. We know Him and have His Spirit, so we too are called to be open to our spouse reconciling with us.
 
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You also said they remain one flesh. I think that highly unlikely, it seems to me that the abuser either never actually married or effectively died when they hit their spouse; they are obviously not the same person who entered into the vows.
 
mcq72 said:
even avoiding some meatier elements we share in common
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Yet, I remember not too long ago finding “Christians” who believed that only not joining the Catholic Church was a wonderful way to experience their Christian growth–some would disown their children if they would convert to Catholicism or marry a Catholic.

Just watch “The Journey Home” on EWTN–the darkest day/night for a “Christian” is to discover that Catholicism is the Way.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
mcq72 said:
Only love can overcome this “curse” as in Beauty and the Beast (just saw the 1951 movie version).
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The definition of the term differs (hollowood vs. Christ); in Christ Love means submitting to God’s Will and rejecting ego. When we pretend to love each other by putting aside our differences (differences that reject Christ) we are only lying to our selves.

Love demands One Faith, One Baptism, One Gospel, One Body: Jesus (not Jesus according to “minister xyz”).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I suppose, with evidence that an abuser believed violence is justified before or at the time of marriage vows, then you may have grounds for a decree of nullity.

That much I can agree with about. That would mean the abuser rejected the Spirit of Christ even at the hour of their vows. That means Christian marriage was never conferred.
 
rcwitness said:
Does He lead people to different churches? Many claiming different teachings from Jesus?
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Yes, Jesus has one of those composite personalities… 'let your yes be yes or no or maybe or perhaps or doubtful or xyz…

He also did not mean “be one” but ‘be one myriad of multitudes–each reaching its own tenets of faith according to the social-political changes.’

Yeah, right!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Alex337 said:
I think there are infinite ways to understand God.
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Correct! I fully concur!

Some understand God to not exist. Hence, God does not exist, right?

Some understand God to not be able to be known my man. Hence agnosticism is right–we cannot believe that there is a God because they do not believe that God can be known to man; never mind that God chose to make Himself Known to man both through nature (Romans 1) and through His Spirit (Sacred Tradition: Oral and Written).

Then there’s hollowood and all of the various religious bodies, each professing a variation of their own version of god/s; hence, there’s only one God Who is evil but good but a multitude of gods and who makes gods of all of the universe, including dust and subatomic particles.

Wow, infinity does make a difference!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Alex337 said:
I doubt I could turn His church into anything, I’m not omnipotent. And I’ve not felt closer to God than I have since I came to this understanding.
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Of course, that’s how you dictate your version of God–why would your personal dictate not lead you to feel such closeness? It’s like seeing in a mirror, no?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Wannano said:
The problem is when we insist that our own understanding of a Teaching is the only viable understanding.
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Let’s start with Salvation, Baptism, Matrimony, Confession, Church, Inspiration of the Holy Spirit… then there’s Apostolic Teaching, Succession, Tradition… then there’s Church history, Doctrine, Development…

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Alex337 said:
The solemnisation of a marriage is only its beginning. Life brings many pressures that test the resilience of marriage and need to be faced by the married couple with support from the meeting. Sometimes they lead, despite our best efforts, to a recognition that a marriage has irretrievably ended; sometimes, in consequence, there is a possibility of remarriage after divorce.
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So you do not believe that Christ is the last word on the issue?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Personal revelation 😊 I know it’s not canon but I’ve never felt God so clearly as in that moment.
 
I didn’t dictate it, I didn’t even believe the view until my moment if revelation 😊
 
I think any abuser does so. That kind of violence doesn’t spring from nothing.
 
Alex337 said:
What’s the “except for sexual immorality” bit mean?

I’m also not totally sure how this relates to my faith.
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The problem is how it is defined by the people who want a divorce and the “right” to marriage.

It is not about immorality of the Sacrament; it is about there never existing a lawful (under God) marriage as in the case of incest, forced marriages or marriages for profit/fame/empowerment…

How useless would Christ demands on the indissolubility of the Sacrament of Marriage be (“what God has brought together let no man set asunder”) if all that would take is for a man, tired of his wife (or vise versa), just commits adultery or causes his wife to commit adultery?

It is so clear to His Disciples (the indissolubility of the Sacrament of Marriage) that their only response is that ‘if that’s the case, than why get married?’ (paraphrase) The Disciples see is as a loss (to remain married or not remarried if divorced) that they equate it to celibacy–to which Jesus replies that that (celibacy) is a Gift from Heaven that not all are able to Receive (the Celibate Priesthood).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Alex337 said:
I also don’t think God wants abused folks to stay with their abusers and that many things can make a marriage not be what it once was. People change and perhaps they’re simply no longer the people who married each other.
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But it is not about “people.” It is about Christians.

What does St. Paul command the husband to do?

He commands that husbands give up their lives for their wives as Christ, because He Loved the Church, gave His Life for the Church.

The problem with “Christians” is that they adhere to the world rather than to God when it is convenient (divorce and remarry 'cause God would want you to); rather than obeying Christ and accepting the Sacrament of Matrimony as indissoluble they become as “people” of the world as they hate, fight, and scheme against their spouses or embrace the eros that the world presents as Love (multiple partners, multitude of marriages, multi-love/lovers…); they forget the warning that to be friends with the world means to be in enmity with God.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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