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rcwitness
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Yeah, so I’ve been told. And what of it?
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Cruciferi
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What are we debating? Whether Scripture is divinely inspired?
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Alex337
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Then you have a human understanding. But that means you shouldn’t hold any opinion on it, and that means you can’t think it’s right or wrong as that’s an opinion because;
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Alex337
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No, just how understanding works.
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Cruciferi
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That’s why you should be reading a Catechism. It’ll help you.
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Alex337
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It’s okay, I know how understanding works.
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Cruciferi
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What are the Gifts of Understanding and Wisdom? - Catholic Straight Answers
Having pondered the gifts of fear of the Lord, piety, and knowledge, we proceed to the gifts of understanding and wisdom. Please remember that the quoted definitions are from Father Jordan Aumann’s Spiritual Theology. Understanding is a gift “to give … Continued
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rcwitness
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Honestly, I’m not sure where you are going…
Understanding things of God does not come from ourselves, we are shown.
The Apostles were Taught by God, in the Person of Jesus. They needed to open their hearts and eyes to receive. Like a child.
He was a blinding light to them, and the whole world.
We learn of Him and must submit to His Baptism. Then we ought to have the disposition to allow Him to form our understanding.
Scripture is a testimony of Jesus, so that we come to believe in Him and participate in His Spirit.
The Father speaks to us all through Scripture. And we all come together in Jesus. Jesus left His Eucharist as a means to become one in body and Spirit.
Understanding things of God does not come from ourselves, we are shown.
The Apostles were Taught by God, in the Person of Jesus. They needed to open their hearts and eyes to receive. Like a child.
He was a blinding light to them, and the whole world.
We learn of Him and must submit to His Baptism. Then we ought to have the disposition to allow Him to form our understanding.
Scripture is a testimony of Jesus, so that we come to believe in Him and participate in His Spirit.
The Father speaks to us all through Scripture. And we all come together in Jesus. Jesus left His Eucharist as a means to become one in body and Spirit.
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rcwitness
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No, actually. We are talking about where we receive our understanding
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Alex337
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Wow. Dude, this is a pretty simple concept. You are human, if you understand a thing it is with human understanding, which you have said is untrustworthy.
I’m sorry you got caught in faulty logic but it happened.
I mean this current branch of logic only makes it even more logical for me to follow the revelation God gave me. It’s like you’re preaching for me to do so.
I’m sorry you got caught in faulty logic but it happened.
I mean this current branch of logic only makes it even more logical for me to follow the revelation God gave me. It’s like you’re preaching for me to do so.
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rcwitness
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Jesus was human and also God. We receive our understanding from His Spirit and His Teachings are not from ourselves or strange spirits, like the one who is in your head.
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Cruciferi
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Sounds like a false god fashioned out of your own desires.
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Alex337
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Given it didn’t follow my desires that seems unlikely. I think I’ll keep following God.Alex337:
Sounds like a false god fashioned out of your own desires.
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Cruciferi
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You’ll come back. It is your Destiny.
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Alex337
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You mean God. And I’ll keep following His revelation, even your preaching tells me to 
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Alex337
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Lol, that sounds like a bad fantasy plot. I doubt I’ll stop following where God led me.
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Cruciferi
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He shall lead you back from your false revelation. You’ll remember what I predicted and shall repent!
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Alex337
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He led me to my church and I’ve never felt closer
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guanophore
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I think you lost me here. If you highlight the text to which you are responding, you will see a “quote” button above it. If you click on this, it will show the text and insert a link to the post to which you are responding.
You have departed from Christian doctrine, so your faith no longer contains the marks of the Christian Church.
Even Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, and many people find Him to be a great spiritual teacher with many good things to say. Being a “follower of Christ” does not make you Christian. It means you pick and choose which of His teachings you wish to embrace, and ignore the rest.
People making poor translations of Scripture does not make anyone Christian, or not.
This is a mistake. Protestants, by definition, have criticisms of the Catholic faith. You have made arrangements for your daughter to depart from the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
It is quite a jump to go from judging the veracity of a spiritual experience by feelings and experiences to saying that a person does not care about them at all. There is a reason that we are told not to make decisions solely based upon our feelings and experiences. When they are relied upon in contradiction to what God has already revealed to mankind, they are likely to lead one astray.
There may be some inaccurate assumptions in here, rc. What makes you think that the Scripture not being inerrant and inspired did not happen BEFORE this experience?
What makes you think that faith in the Body and Blood was ever present?
It seems to me that this lack of orthodoxy is more likely to precipitate falling further away.
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This is a good example of the difference between Christianity, and what you believe. Christians believe that we can understand things differently though divine revelation.
If fact, Jesus taught that there are a great many truths that we cannot grasp through “human understanding” (the flesh).
Furthermore, the things of God are sometimes contrary to the human understanding, and appear as folly.
This is a good example of reasoning from a human perspective devoid of divine revelation.
@Alex337 is asserting that humans can understand anything that is outside of human reasoning. This precludes the ability to accept things revealed to us by God that did not come from human reasoning. Any understanding acquired by a human must have humanity as it’s origin.
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