Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[rcwitness]

About what? Baptism? No, the Church recognizes a valid Christian denomination if there exists a valid Christian Baptism according to Catholic definition.

 

[Alex337]

Baptism takes many forms. Water, river, oil. Quakers believe in the baptism of spirit. Did you read the link?

 

[rcwitness]

What matters is the Baptism which the Church considers a valid Sacrament, in order to be recognized as a valid denomination.

 

[Alex337]

We have baptism.

 

[rcwitness]

Since you refuse to comprehend what I’m sharing with you, I’m fully convinced you have most likely twisted whatever your priest friend has shared with you also!

 

[Alex337]

How do you not get that we have baptism? I know it means you’re wrong and that hurts but this is some serious doublethink.

 

[rcwitness]

I have explained to you, and you are still confused!

The Church defines what constitutes a valid Sacrament Baptism. A waterless Baptism is insufficient to be called a Sacrament by the Catholic Church. This is the primary mark of what makes a denomination validly Christian.

 

[Cruciferi]

Translations may be flawed

I don’t think that our current selection is flawed. Everyone can understand them :man_shrugging:t2:

 

[Alex337]

I have explained to you, and you are still confused!

The Church defines what constitutes a valid Sacrament Baptism. A waterless Baptism is insufficient to be called a Sacrament by the Catholic Church. This is the primary mark of what makes denomination validly Christian.

You know sects also use oil, right?

 

[rcwitness]

Sects use oil for what?

 

[Alex337]

Baptism.

Now, please tell the truth; did you read the article on how Quakers practice and percieve baptism?

 

[Cruciferi]

INVALID

‘Quakers (“Society of Friends”) – NO baptism’

https://www.dosp.org/chancellor/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/3.-Valid-and-Invalid-Baptisms.pdf

 

[Alex337]

What the Early Church Believed: The Necessity of Baptism | Catholic Answers Tract

 

[Cruciferi]

“For Quakers, sacraments are understood as an inward, spiritual, experience. We don’t have a custom of performing sacramental ceremonies.”

https://www.fgcquaker.org/discover/faqs-about-quakers#Sacraments

“The sacraments are efficacious signs of grace, instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church, by which divine life is dispensed to us. the visible rites by which the sacraments are celebrated signify and make present the graces proper to each sacrament. They bear fruit in those who receive them with the required dispositions.”

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P35.HTM

 

[Alex337]

Time for me to sleep. Sorry, folks, Quakers remain Christian even if you don’t like it.

 

[Alex337]

Did you read the article about baptism of spirit in our tradition?

 

[rcwitness]

Baptism.

Now, please tell the truth; did you read the article on how Quakers practice and percieve baptism?

I only skimmed, since I am quite busy.

If there is no water, it cannot be valid, according to the Catholic faith. You should know this, but you are desperately trying to ignore it.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

Baptism.

Now, please tell the truth; did you read the article on how Quakers practice and percieve baptism?

I only skimmed, since I am quite busy.

If there is no water, it cannot be valid, according to the Catholic faith. You should know this, but you are desperately trying to ignore it.

When you have time read it in depth. I knew we’re being quite combative on this and it no doubt biases you. But the baptism of spirit is a very real thing; the presence of the holy ghost means more than water or oil.

 

[rcwitness]

rcwitness:

Alex337:

Baptism.

Now, please tell the truth; did you read the article on how Quakers practice and percieve baptism?

I only skimmed, since I am quite busy.

If there is no water, it cannot be valid, according to the Catholic faith. You should know this, but you are desperately trying to ignore it.

When you have time read it on depth. I knew we’re being quite combative on this and it no doubt biases you. But the baptism of spirit is a very real thing; the presence of the holy ghost means more than water or oil.

It sure does!!! Yet, the absence of water violates a necessary form of a valid Sacrament.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

rcwitness:

Alex337:

Baptism.

Now, please tell the truth; did you read the article on how Quakers practice and percieve baptism?

I only skimmed, since I am quite busy.

If there is no water, it cannot be valid, according to the Catholic faith. You should know this, but you are desperately trying to ignore it.

When you have time read it on depth. I knew we’re being quite combative on this and it no doubt biases you. But the baptism of spirit is a very real thing; the presence of the holy ghost means more than water or oil.

It sure does!!! Yet, the absence of water violates a necessary form of a valid Sacrament.

For a Catholic sacrament, yes. But we’re not Catholic. We perform our sacraments differently. Remember, many protestants even disagree with how many sacraments there are.