Does God except Muslim worship?

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I wonder how God views Islam. Though, we do know much of the doctrines of Islam are false and not of God, we do have many things in common. We are monotheistic. We believe in Jesus and the resurrection of the dead. We believe God created the world and revealed his message first to the Israelite. We are both considered Abrahamic religions alongside Judaism. How does God exactly view this religion? Does God “except” Muslim worship. Muslims do worship the same God as us, although in an incorrect way, they do worship him (and I’m not talking about through jihad which is unfortunately how many Muslims express their worship, I mean when they pray and have their services and such).
 
I think you mean accept. Why wouldn’t God accept the worship of people? Just because your theology is different that doesn’t mean God doesn’t love us.
 
Pope Francis considers Muslims as “children of God.” Given this, it sounds like God certainly does accept their worship.
 
It has been longstanding knowledge that Muslims worship the same God as we do. If I cannot convince you ask the Pope, read the bible, catcheism. God accepts everyones prayers, if Jesus was willining to die for sinners, then he would definetly be willing to listen to non catholic prayers and suffering,

Peace be with you

John 3:16
 
“Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one?”
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The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, “It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath’s sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted.”
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^That is from Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle. Tash is any other “god”, and Aslan is Jesus. Should answer your question.
 
It has been longstanding knowledge that Muslims worship the same God as we do.
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Nothing would ever convince me of this. There is no commonality between the Christian and Islamic faiths. As another poster has pointed out, Jesus said “No man cometh unto the Father but by me”. How then can anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus pray to the Father?

And then there is your own reference, John 3:16.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

This passage alone makes it clear that it is necessary to believe in the Son.
 
WKW_69 said:
I think you mean accept. Why wouldn’t God accept the worship of people? Just because your theology is different that doesn’t mean God doesn’t love us.
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I had a fail of grammar there, don’t mind it. Lol
 
peter26 said:
Nothing would ever convince me of this. There is no commonality between the Christian and Islamic faiths. As another poster has pointed out, Jesus said “No man cometh unto the Father but by me”. How then can anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus pray to the Father?

And then there is your own reference, John 3:16.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

This passage alone makes it clear that it is necessary to believe in the Son.
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They are both of the Abrahamic tradition, just as Jews and Christians see Abraham as their father in faith so do Muslims. Both monotheistic, both acknowledge all the OT prophets, both believe in the resurrection. Also both believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and Mary’s immaculate conception (unlike our protestant brethren).

My question to you is, if you can say “How then can anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus pray to the Father?” about Muslims do you believe you can say the same about Jewish people?

Obviously there are major differences, but to say there are no similarities is to not understand either of the religions.
 
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They are both of the Abrahamic tradition, just as Jews and Christians see Abraham as their father in faith so do Muslims. Both monotheistic, both acknowledge all the OT prophets, both believe in the resurrection. Also both believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and Mary’s immaculate conception (unlike our protestant brethren).

My question to you is, if you can say “How then can anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus pray to the Father?” about Muslims do you believe you can say the same about Jewish people?
Obviously there are major differences, but to say there are no similarities is to not understand either of the religions.
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Yes.

Either the words of Jesus mean something, or they don’t. If they don’t, then what are we doing here?
 
They are both of the Abrahamic tradition, just as Jews and Christians see Abraham as their father in faith so do Muslims. Both monotheistic, both acknowledge all the OT prophets, both believe in the resurrection. Also both believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and Mary’s immaculate conception (unlike our protestant brethren).
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Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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James 2:19

Belief in one God is really immaterial if one does not believe in the same one God. Believing in a few selective aspects of the faith is really immaterial too. As quoted above, Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through Him.
It doesn’t make a lot of sense to say that salvation comes only through Christ’s Church and then reject the very teachings of that Church, which are emphatic in stating that Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the same God, but have a different understanding of His nature.
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This was though a break from the doctrine that was previously taught was it not? In Unam Sanctam for instance. It would seem that it does not measure up then either to scripture or to tradition. Consider for instance this statement by Pope Pius IX

Pope Pius XII considered not unrelated to the Church “those who do not belong to the visible Body of the Catholic Church”, saying that they are in a “state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation. For even though by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church”

Quanto confidiamur moerore, 10 August 1863
My question to you is, if you can say “How then can anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus pray to the Father?” about Muslims do you believe you can say the same about Jewish people?
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If one is measuring the extent to which different faiths have “the fullness of the truth”. It is clear that Jews have more of the truth than Muslims, acknowledging as they do the whole of what we call the Old Testament. But the fact remains that Jesus said that no one comes to the Father except by Him.
 
peter26 said:
Nothing would ever convince me of this. There is no commonality between the Christian and Islamic faiths. As another poster has pointed out, Jesus said “No man cometh unto the Father but by me”. How then can anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus pray to the Father?

And then there is your own reference, John 3:16.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

This passage alone makes it clear that it is necessary to believe in the Son.
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It isthis kind of attitude that causes divisivness between religious communities. The Pope, and the catchetism, and scripture both strongly connect Islam, Judaism, and christianity. Please show some respect.
 
peter26 said:
Nothing would ever convince me of this. There is no commonality between the Christian and Islamic faiths. As another poster has pointed out, Jesus said “No man cometh unto the Father but by me”. How then can anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus pray to the Father?

And then there is your own reference, John 3:16.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

This passage alone makes it clear that it is necessary to believe in the Son.
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Jesus was jewish, so was all the old testament prophets! Are you honestly telling me they don’t believe in the same God as we do. Jews today don’t worship the same God. Good Grief sir, get a grip on reality.
 
John 3:16 also clearly states that Jesus and the Father are seperate entities. I love how we Catholics ignore the bible and pretend that a mysterious trinity exists. Read the bible it clearly states that the God in the old testament is not Jesus!
 
Jesus was jewish, so was all the old testament prophets! Are you honestly telling me they don’t believe in the same God as we do. Jews today don’t worship the same God. Good Grief sir, get a grip on reality.
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Jesus and the disciples would probably be best described in modern terms as Messianic Jews (culturally Jewish but believing in Jesus as the Messiah). The factor that affects if someone believes in the same god is not culture or liturgical practices, rather it is do they believe in Jesus as God, that is it.
John 3:16 also clearly states that Jesus and the Father are seperate entities. I love how we Catholics ignore the bible and pretend that a mysterious trinity exists. Read the bible it clearly states that the God in the old testament is not Jesus!
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One God, three persons. If you don’t believe in the Trinity, then please don’t lecture me on how I don’t believe what the Church teaches, since that is an essential of the Christian faith in almost all forms.
It isthis kind of attitude that causes divisivness between religious communities. The Pope, and the catchetism, and scripture both strongly connect Islam, Judaism, and christianity. Please show some respect.
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The division is a reality. Scripture - well, we’ve been into that one. No one comes to the Father except through me. There really are no two ways to interpret that. There is no commonality between the Christian and Islamic faiths, barring the happenstance of believing in one god (not the same god).
 
peter26 said:
Jesus and the disciples would probably be best described in modern terms as Messianic Jews (culturally Jewish but believing in Jesus as the Messiah). The factor that affects if someone believes in the same god is not culture or liturgical practices, rather it is do they believe in Jesus as God, that is it.

Doesn’t stop the fact that you’re blatantly ignoring the Pope and all religous texts on this issue. You’re the first person I met that is stupid enough to believe that Jews worship a different God then we do. So disrespectful to call the pope and the bible lies.

One God, three persons. If you don’t believe in the Trinity, then please don’t lecture me on how I don’t believe what the Church teaches, since that is an essential of the Christian faith in almost all forms.

I do believe in the trinity, I was just using this as an example of how we cherry pick evidence from the bible even though there is overwhelming evidence in the bible that the trinity is a man made phenomenen.

The division is a reality. Scripture - well, we’ve been into that one. No one comes to the Father except through me. There really are no two ways to interpret that. There is no commonality between the Christian and Islamic faiths, barring the happenstance of believing in one god (not the same god).
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We will always have differences, but screaming jews and muslims don’t believe in God and have a one way ticket to hell is not only false, but disgusting.
 
peter26 said:
Jesus and the disciples would probably be best described in modern terms as Messianic Jews (culturally Jewish but believing in Jesus as the Messiah). The factor that affects if someone believes in the same god is not culture or liturgical practices, rather it is do they believe in Jesus as God, that is it.

One God, three persons. If you don’t believe in the Trinity, then please don’t lecture me on how I don’t believe what the Church teaches, since that is an essential of the Christian faith in almost all forms.

The division is a reality. Scripture - well, we’ve been into that one. No one comes to the Father except through me. There really are no two ways to interpret that. There is no commonality between the Christian and Islamic faiths, barring the happenstance of believing in one god (not the same god).
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  1. Doesn’t stop the fact that you’re blatantly ignoring the Pope and all religous texts on this issue. You’re the first person I met that is stupid enough to believe that Jews worship a different God then we do. So disrespectful to call the pope and the bible lies.
2.I do believe in the trinity, I was just using this as an example of how we cherry pick evidence from the bible even though there is overwhelming evidence in the bible that the trinity is a man made phenomenen.

3.We will always have differences, but screaming jews and muslims don’t believe in God and have a one way ticket to hell is not only false, but disgusting.
 
Okay I’m trying to have a reasonable discussion supported by evidence, and you seem intend on yelling insults.
We will always have differences, but screaming jews and muslims don’t believe in God and have a one way ticket to hell is not only false, but disgusting.
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Don’t worship the same God is what I said. And you have not presented any evidence to the contrary. As for “one way ticket to hell”, your words not mine.
  1. Doesn’t stop the fact that you’re blatantly ignoring the Pope and all religous texts on this issue. You’re the first person I met that is stupid enough to believe that Jews worship a different God then we do. So disrespectful to call the pope and the bible lies.
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I’m the one quoting scripture and Church documents, which you have yet to refute. I have called nothing a lie.
2.I do believe in the trinity, I was just using this as an example of how we cherry pick evidence from the bible even though there is overwhelming evidence in the bible that the trinity is a man made phenomenen.
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The Trinity is not a man made phenomenon.
Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the** Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost**: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Matthew 28:16-20
3.We will always have differences, but screaming jews and muslims don’t believe in God and have a one way ticket to hell is not only false, but disgusting.
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Again, when did I say anyone had a one way ticket to hell. I did not say that. Stop putting words in my mouth and then saying its disgusting. I did not even mention the word “hell” or anything to that effect.
 
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