Does God exist inside of human DNA

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Faxero said:
Agreed. Since we are made in God’s image and likeness, and since Christ is both fully God and fully men, then we human beings are, in a certain sense, minimized versions of God.

I would wager that God’s essence is inside *everything *he creates, including microscopic entities such as DNA, and even in every virus and tiny particle of dust. He exists in everything that exists and which will exist in the future, hence his omnipresence.
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Um…after researching about the Occult and the New Age Movement, I found that the quoted statements above seem dangerously close to pantheism, which is incompatible with Catholic theology.

catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-pantheism

Well…opps…sorry…😊

@Grannymh I’ll study the Catechism and your references when I find the time. 😊 I’ll keep my mouth shut until then.
 
The DNA Rose:
How many souls have you seen?

… Again before you argue this, please tell us how many souls you have seen?
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No humans have ever seen a soul; many humans have seen DNA. That alone should clue you in to the fact that DNA is not the same as the soul…
The_DNA_Rose said:
Galileo was put under arrest by the Catholic church for discovering planetary orbits.
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No… Galileo was placed under house arrest once it was proven that he was asserting that his theories were factual, although he couldn’t prove them as such,
Catholic teaching has changed, and is changing, this is good, because our understanding of the image of God is changing as well.
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No… your understanding of the image of God is changing; the Church never has, nor does not now, teach that the imago Dei is DNA.
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
Genesis 1:27New King James Version

27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Does this bible passage, mean the same thing today, as it did 500, 1000, or 2000 years ago? I doubt it, because now we know that our image comes from our DNA, and that DNA controls every aspect of what we are. So if we are created in the DNA image of God, we should be able to be God. Would God create something that was ignorant and useless, or would he recreate the knowledge of himself in order to give us the ability to rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So does DNA hold the image of God?
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We were created in the image of God in order to acquire His likeness. This means we have the potential to be like God. Man was not created to have this likeness at first but to have the image already impressed so that the likeness might be possible. I do not know if God exists inside the human DNA but I do know He created it and everyone has a different DNA from everyone else meaning we are all unique. However just because we have a different DNA from everyone else does not mean we do not have the image of God printed in us. We do and for God to help us to achieve His Likeness God has given to each one of us His DNA that is what is in His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit as we can receive both into our lives.
 
I think DNA is amazing stuff, but let’s face it, it is just a physical substance, made up of nothing more than atoms linked together in exquisitely complex patterns. It is a substance which can store a lot of information, in a code that cells can use. DNA is finite; that is, it can store a lot of information, but only so much. The information relates to our physical form and function. While DNA has existed for billions of years, it is not eternal.

To say that we are created in the image and likeness of God does not mean that we share physical features, as are encoded in DNA. God does not have two arms and two legs, stand 1.5 to 2 meters tall, and need to breathe air.

Our likeness to God must be in other aspects, like the ability to love. Does DNA code for love? Perhaps at some level it does. Perhaps DNA defines traits of the human brain that lay a foundation upon which we can be brought up to love. We should not, however, delude ourselves into thinking that our love, human love, is comparable to God’s love.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:9
I think it is possible that human DNA bears God’s mark.

I might go so far as to say that God exists in every part of creation, …

… but not more so in human DNA.
 
Faxero said:
Um…after researching about the Occult and the New Age Movement, I found that the quoted statements above seem dangerously close to pantheism, which is incompatible with Catholic theology.

catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-pantheism

Well…opps…sorry…😊

@Grannymh I’ll study the Catechism and your references when I find the time. 😊 I’ll keep my mouth shut until then.
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Your questions and concerns are always welcomed. Personally, I found those references tough reading. The Catechism is not a page turner. Go slow when you come to an interesting paragraph like 356. That one makes me think about Genesis 1: 26-27.

I have not been able to trace back to the source of this thread’s topic. Thus, I am interested in your research. Long ago, I heard that New Age liked using Scripture verses because that made the movement appear to be legitimate. Dang! It is too late at night for me to start thinking.
 
chimo said:
We were created in the image of God in order to acquire His likeness. This means we have the potential to be like God. Man was not created to have this likeness at first but to have the image already impressed so that the likeness might be possible. I do not know if God exists inside the human DNA but I do know He created it and everyone has a different DNA from everyone else meaning we are all unique. However just because we have a different DNA from everyone else does not mean we do not have the image of God printed in us. We do and for God to help us to achieve His Likeness God has given to each one of us His DNA that is what is in His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit as we can receive both into our lives.
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Being in the image of the super-natural Pure Spirit Creator refers to the fact that our human nature has a spiritual principle.
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
Galileo was put under arrest by the Catholic church for discovering planetary orbits.

The Pope, has endorsed evolutionary theory, a wonderful thing, as God had to invent what is evolving.

The Pope, would baptize a Martian, by his own words.

Jesus could come back tomorrow.

Catholic teaching has changed, and is changing, this is good, because our understanding of the image of God is changing as well.
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None of these are examples of changes in Church teaching:
  1. The real story with Galileo had nothing to do with planetary orbits. It’s a lot more complicated than that. A priest named Copernicus actually theorized that the earth revolved around the sun long before Galileo, (that’s why it’s called the Copernican model, not the Galileo model) and he never once was punished or censored for it. In fact, he had a lot of support from the Church. The Church has never officially taught that the sun revolved around the earth. That was just the scientific consensus at the time.
  2. So what? The Church has never had an issue with evolution. Even Saints like Thomas Aquinas and Augustine talked about nature having the ability to “roll out” (evolvere) on its own. No change here.
  3. Again, so what? The Church has never had a position on aliens. You can’t “change” something you’ve never taught to begin with.
As a Catholic, you should know that the Church only teaches infallibly with regards to faith and morals, not scientific theories. So even if the Church endorses one theory one day and then changes its mind on it, that is not proof that the Church is not infallible like you are claiming. Nor does it mean the Church is wrong about the nature of the soul.
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
How many souls have you seen?

Actually, DNA can be used to clone a nonliving body, thus DNA might just be the soul of which you speak. Again before you argue this, please tell us how many souls you have seen?

dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1082776/Cloning-grave-Scientists-create-new-life-mouse-frozen-16-YEARS.html
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The problem is, DNA is not immortal, it doesn’t last forever. It might last for a million years, but eventually it decomposes. This is just a scientific fact. So we are back to the original problem. Once the DNA is gone, then the soul would cease to exist.

Something that decays and breaks down can hardly be defined as the immortal soul.
 
Gorgias said:
No humans have ever seen a soul; many humans have seen DNA. That alone should clue you in to the fact that DNA is not the same as the soul…

No… Galileo was placed under house arrest once it was proven that he was asserting that his theories were factual, although he couldn’t prove them as such,

No… your understanding of the image of God is changing; the Church never has, nor does not now, teach that the imago Dei is DNA.
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You have no idea what the soul is, nor even if it is real, do Martians have souls?

Galileo was placed under arrest by the Church for discovering planetary orbits? Glad that you agree here.

Are you actually saying, that if the Church, does not believe in something, that it is not real? Are nuclear warheads not real, because the Church does not teach them?
 
chimo said:
We were created in the image of God in order to acquire His likeness. This means we have the potential to be like God. Man was not created to have this likeness at first but to have the image already impressed so that the likeness might be possible. I do not know if God exists inside the human DNA but I do know He created it and everyone has a different DNA from everyone else meaning we are all unique. However just because we have a different DNA from everyone else does not mean we do not have the image of God printed in us. We do and for God to help us to achieve His Likeness God has given to each one of us His DNA that is what is in His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit as we can receive both into our lives.
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DNA is still not understood, was God one lone individual, all alone in the universe, or was God just, another group of beings, from another place, that might be very similar to us?

The one thing that you can be sure of, is that outside of an extra planetary intervention, that the person who knows for sure, has issues, of stability.

As even the Pope now understands evolution and aliens…
 
grannymh said:
Being in the image of the super-natural Pure Spirit Creator refers to the fact that our human nature has a spiritual principle.
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Your assumption, just as previous Popes assumed that evolution was not real, and the current Pope now says otherwise, and that Martians may be soon arriving. With that do you agree, that the current Pope would have been removed, by previous Popes, by whatever means needed?
 
Beryllos said:
I think DNA is amazing stuff, but let’s face it, it is just a physical substance, made up of nothing more than atoms linked together in exquisitely complex patterns. It is a substance which can store a lot of information, in a code that cells can use. DNA is finite; that is, it can store a lot of information, but only so much. The information relates to our physical form and function. While DNA has existed for billions of years, it is not eternal.

To say that we are created in the image and likeness of God does not mean that we share physical features, as are encoded in DNA. God does not have two arms and two legs, stand 1.5 to 2 meters tall, and need to breathe air.

Our likeness to God must be in other aspects, like the ability to love. Does DNA code for love? Perhaps at some level it does. Perhaps DNA defines traits of the human brain that lay a foundation upon which we can be brought up to love. We should not, however, delude ourselves into thinking that our love, human love, is comparable to God’s love.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:9
I think it is possible that human DNA bears God’s mark.

I might go so far as to say that God exists in every part of creation, …

… but not more so in human DNA.
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1 milligram of DNA can store every bit of information on this site, and the entire library of Congress as well.

A single book, can be stored on a trillionth of a gram of DNA.

You have no idea what God needs, or looks like, you merely assume.

Yes DNA is the code for love, DNA is everything that you are, or can be. DNA is the universe, as without DNA the universe is not comprehendible.
 
Robyn_p said:
The problem is, DNA is not immortal, it doesn’t last forever. It might last for a million years, but eventually it decomposes. This is just a scientific fact. So we are back to the original problem. Once the DNA is gone, then the soul would cease to exist.

Something that decays and breaks down can hardly be defined as the immortal soul.
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There is no evidence except religious teaching, that the soul is either real, or immortal. Oddly enough, DNA has been around for at least 3.5 billion years on this planet, and will design a way off of this planet, before this planet is engulfed by it’s Sun.

So is 3.5 billion years immortal, noting that the DNA came here from somewhere else?

Just think…
 
Robyn_p said:
None of these are examples of changes in Church teaching:
  1. The real story with Galileo had nothing to do with planetary orbits. It’s a lot more complicated than that. A priest named Copernicus actually theorized that the earth revolved around the sun long before Galileo, (that’s why it’s called the Copernican model, not the Galileo model) and he never once was punished or censored for it. In fact, he had a lot of support from the Church. The Church has never officially taught that the sun revolved around the earth. That was just the scientific consensus at the time.
  2. So what? The Church has never had an issue with evolution. Even Saints like Thomas Aquinas and Augustine talked about nature having the ability to “roll out” (evolvere) on its own. No change here.
  3. Again, so what? The Church has never had a position on aliens. You can’t “change” something you’ve never taught to begin with.
As a Catholic, you should know that the Church only teaches infallibly with regards to faith and morals, not scientific theories. So even if the Church endorses one theory one day and then changes its mind on it, that is not proof that the Church is not infallible like you are claiming. Nor does it mean the Church is wrong about the nature of the soul.
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Well Church teaching has just been modified by the Pope to include Martians, so if the Church can move into the future, can you?
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
Your assumption, just as previous Popes assumed that evolution was not real, and the current Pope now says otherwise, and that Martians may be soon arriving. With that do you agree, that the current Pope would have been removed, by previous Popes, by whatever means needed?
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I would love to see the exact statement from the Pope himself that he said evolution is real with the link to it. Please be mindful not to link me those sites which promote propaganda, they tend to twist the truth. Until now evolution is just a theory, no one can prove it using the scientific method yet despite the fact that the schools are teaching the theory to children as truths. But that’s not the purpose of this post.

You are assuming that the Popes are infallible when they make such statements, however you are forgetting that these Popes are not speaking ex cathedra, thus its not a part of our doctrines. The doctrines themselves are enough.
 
GuyNextDoor said:
I would love to see the exact statement from the Pope himself that he said evolution is real with the link to it. Please be mindful not to link me those sites which promote propaganda, they tend to twist the truth. Until now evolution is just a theory, no one can prove it using the scientific method yet despite the fact that the schools are teaching the theory to children as truths. But that’s not the purpose of this post.

You are assuming that the Popes are infallible when they make such statements, however you are forgetting that these Popes are not speaking ex cathedra, thus its not a part of our doctrines. The doctrines themselves are enough.
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You, also can, if you are able to make the post that you have, do your own Google search, but since you want to live in the past, I will give you one of the 144,000 thousand replies that Google found in .25 seconds.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html

PS. The Pope also believes in the Big Bang as well.

iflscience.com/brain/pope-endorses-scientific-account-origins

143,998 more links await the curious…
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
You, also can, if you are able to make the post that you have, do your own Google search, but since you want to live in the past, I will give you one of the 144,000 thousand replies that Google found in .25 seconds.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html

PS. The Pope also believes in the Big Bang as well.

iflscience.com/brain/pope-endorses-scientific-account-origins

143,998 more links await the curious…
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You are gathering information on the Vatican in all the wrong areas.

This is what the Pope said:

“The Big Bang, which today is held as the beginning of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator, but requires it,” he said. “Evolution in nature is not at odds with the notion of creation because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve.”

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1404445.htm

He did not endorse it but merely said that the science held today is not at odds with the notion of creation. You sure you wanna trust everything the internet says? Also be mindful that he is not speaking Ex Cathedra on this subject.

The million dollar question here is: Can you provide me one observable evidence on Darwin’s evolution ‘Change of Kinds’? Just 1.

There’s no need for sarcasm.
 
GuyNextDoor said:
You are gathering information on the Vatican in all the wrong areas.

This is what the Pope said:

“The Big Bang, which today is held as the beginning of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator, but requires it,” he said. “Evolution in nature is not at odds with the notion of creation because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve.”

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1404445.htm

He did not endorse it but merely said that the science held today is not at odds with the notion of creation. You sure you wanna trust everything the internet says? Also be mindful that he is not speaking Ex Cathedra on this subject.

The million dollar question here is: Can you provide me one observable evidence on evolution? Just 1.

There’s no need for sarcasm.
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So everything that Google returned is wrong, and what you say is true.

Ok, if you say so.
 
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