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CaptainPrudeman
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I don’t think you understand. There is no correct answer as given.
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Does God Give Catholics The Right to Disagree With The Roman Catholic Church?
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Gorgias
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“For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.”I was able to answer very quickly.
- not H.L. Mencken, and not verbatim… but still applicable
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Seasons
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I voted for the correct answer as far as the Roman Catholic Church teaches.
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CaptainPrudeman
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If it is your belief that the teachings of the Church agree with either given answer 100% of the time, then your belief is wrong.I voted for the correct answer as far as the Roman Catholic Church teaches.
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Seasons
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God does not give us the right to disagree with the Roman Catholic Church.
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CaptainPrudeman
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Okay, let us see a citation on that.God does not give us the right to disagree with the Roman Catholic Church.
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stpurl
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Is there ever a ‘right’ to do wrong? IOW, while we may have freedom to choose wrong, or to sin, by rejecting good , is that ever a ‘right’ we have independently as if ‘good’ and “evil’ are equivalencies, or is choosing evil a rejection of our rights and responsibilities as Catholics?
Does it depend upon whether we define the word ‘right’ as something human, or whether we are defining it according to the Divine?
Does it depend upon whether we define the word ‘right’ as something human, or whether we are defining it according to the Divine?
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CaptainPrudeman
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A right is a license to perform an action without fear of retribution from a higher power. God does not punish us for using our free will. Instead, we punish ourselves.
Similarly, I have the right to buy a gun. I also have the ability to shoot my foot using said gun. My actions had consequences, but I had the right to carry them out.
Similarly, I have the right to buy a gun. I also have the ability to shoot my foot using said gun. My actions had consequences, but I had the right to carry them out.
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fhansen posted this:
In a sense, while we have the freedom to disagree-and the Church teaches that this freedom must be preserved and protected, we nonetheless from a moral standpoint don’t have the right to do so. But God has patience and we start out ignorant about these matters in any case. Anyway, from the catechism:
1778 Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act that he is going to perform, is in the process of performing, or has already completed. In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right. It is by the judgment of his conscience that man perceives and recognizes the prescriptions of the divine law:
Conscience is a law of the mind; yet [Christians] would not grant that it is nothing more; I mean that it was not a dictate, nor conveyed the notion of responsibility, of duty, of a threat and a promise. . . . [Conscience] is a messenger of him, who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by his representatives. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ.
In a sense, while we have the freedom to disagree-and the Church teaches that this freedom must be preserved and protected, we nonetheless from a moral standpoint don’t have the right to do so. But God has patience and we start out ignorant about these matters in any case. Anyway, from the catechism:
1778 Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act that he is going to perform, is in the process of performing, or has already completed. In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right. It is by the judgment of his conscience that man perceives and recognizes the prescriptions of the divine law:
Conscience is a law of the mind; yet [Christians] would not grant that it is nothing more; I mean that it was not a dictate, nor conveyed the notion of responsibility, of duty, of a threat and a promise. . . . [Conscience] is a messenger of him, who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by his representatives. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ.
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fhansen posted this:
1782 Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters."
1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.
1785 In the formation of conscience the Word of God is the light for our path,54 we must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. We must also examine our conscience before the Lord’s Cross. We are assisted by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, aided by the witness or advice of others and guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church.55
1801 Conscience can remain in ignorance or make erroneous judgments. Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt.
1782 Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters."
1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.
1785 In the formation of conscience the Word of God is the light for our path,54 we must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. We must also examine our conscience before the Lord’s Cross. We are assisted by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, aided by the witness or advice of others and guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church.55
1801 Conscience can remain in ignorance or make erroneous judgments. Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt.
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CaptainPrudeman
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Nothing in that passage in any way supports this statement:
God does not give us the right to disagree with the Roman Catholic Church.
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Seasons
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Even if those actions are contrary to the Roman Catholic Church?
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CaptainPrudeman
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Does God punish sinners when they sin? Does God punish heretics when they commit heresy? Or do the heretic and sinner willingly choose their punishment in spite of God’s love?
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Seasons
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Are you willing to gamble with your eternal happiness?
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CaptainPrudeman
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Answer the question, please.Does God punish sinners when they sin? Does God punish heretics when they commit heresy? Or do the heretic and sinner willingly choose their punishment in spite of God’s love?
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SantaFe
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life is not fair, and horrible things happen to the most virtuous loving empathetic people while seemingly wonderful things happen to evil people. No one knows why and this is a divine mystery, it’s one of those extremely frustrating but true things about life: tomorrow is promised to no one, so be kind and love while you are still alive.
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The Heretic and Sinner who reject the Roman Catholic Church willingly choose their punishment in spite of God’s love?
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