Does God want everyone to be Catholic?

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Aaron_Creagh said:
Salvation is not confusing, at least it should not be.

It is a gift of God. Works do not give it to you.
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Works, however, keep it.
Hebrews 3:12-14 “For we share in Christ, if indeed ***we hold ***our original confidence firm to the end.”
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Hebrews 12:14 Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.
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Pursue implies effort, work, doesn’t it? So without effort, i.e. work, we will not see the Lord.

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rogue13 said:
And the answer is…?
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Does God want everyone to be Catholic?
The answer is yes, and especially catholics.

I believe it is the way our dear Lord expressed it, about good seed falling on rocky ground, and good seed falling on shallow ground, and good seed falling in among thorns and weeds, and the good seed falling on fertile gound.

He wants all to come to his banquet, but unfortunately the invite is not always used.

Just a thought.
 
After much reflection…It must be belived that God certainly wants the BEST for all of us…
If there is something better, humanly challenged as it is, than the Catholic Church please let me know…:tiphat:
 
I believe so, that’s my belief when I’m saying “one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic church.”🙂

We need to remember to pray for unity for all Christians in the Church Christ established. Also, I do believe we will all be Catholic in heaven (those of us who enter there, that is).
 
Aaron_Creagh said:
Salvation is not confusing, at least it should not be.

It is a gift of God. Works do not give it to you.
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Faith is both 1 & 2.

  1. *]Gift
    *]our response.

    There’s no expiration date to the following warning. Division from the Catholic Church is condemned as are those who divide and remain divided from the Catholic Church. therefore, It will effect one’s salvation. Not my words but sctipture’s

    Gal 5: 19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, διχοστασίαι ] party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    That’s where the following came from 846
 
steve_b said:
Faith is both 1 & 2.

  1. *]Gift
    *]our response.

    There’s no expiration date to the following warning. Division from the Catholic Church is condemned as are those who divide and remain divided from the Catholic Church. therefore, It will effect one’s salvation. Not my words but sctipture’s

    Gal 5: 19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, διχοστασίαι, ] party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    That’s where the following came from 846
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  1. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

    Your cite, not mine.

    “Dissensions” is an argument waiting to happen. It may very well mean exactly what you say, and then again, it arguably may not. Also, it all hinges on whether one believes that the Catholic Church continues to be guided by the Holy Spirit, as the “dissenters” obviously do not. Please don’t turn me into an apologist for Protestantism.
 
AloysiusBologna said:
Let me think about that…One God, three persons in One, made One man, One woman, selected One people, only One son, through One virgin birth, One baptism, One last supper, One Resurrection, One Church seems to be the trend…at least in this One (uni)verse…:)…
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Exactly !! Would the ONE God pick multiple churches, with variant doctrines, actively disputing/fighting against each other, most of which are unable to read scripture from perspective of Traditions taught the 12 by Christ ?

To believe such is nonsensical.

Our Lord is ONE, who commanded we all share things in common, be at peace, and not like the dissenters – who don’t know their left from right hand.
 
JamesCaruso said:
Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
Your cite, not mine.

“Dissensions” is an argument waiting to happen. It may very well mean exactly what you say, and then again, it arguably may not. Also, it all hinges on whether one believes that the Catholic Church continues to be guided by the Holy Spirit, as the “dissenters” obviously do not. Please don’t turn me into an apologist for Protestantism.
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I think there’s a misunderstanding.

My only response to you on this thread was 85 posts ago forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10608274&postcount=100 and it was just for purposes of clarifying a point using the CCC. Nothing more than that. I wasn’t criticizing you :tiphat:

Your response to me #186 forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10637770&postcount=186 was in response to my response #185 to Aaron Creagh who is a Protestant forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10636803&postcount=185
 
brb3 said:
Had they been Confirmed in HS as young adults ? If not, that might of been what caused them to seek out the HS elsewhere. As St. Augustine said … “Our hearts are restless oh Lord, until they find their rest in thee”.

Maybe some didn’t like the idea of having to persevere, and perferred the OSAS idea. Some clearly desire a Church that will allow them birthcontrol contracepting, no-fault divorces — with easy re-marriage.

But, there are alot of Catholic ‘reverts’ here … having left for Protestanism, and come back home to the Catholic Church. Ask them, what caused them to leave for a fortnite.
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REVERT here. I will tell you that the reason I left was multi-faceted. But, to keep it short, I was easily persuaded, somehow, to believe that the doctrine of the Real Presence in the Eucharist was misinformed. After having many of the doctrines of the Catholic Church brought down to the level of stupidity, I was convinced that it was not only *NOT where *God wanted me, but in fact was condemned. 37 years later I felt tugged back. I had been feeling a calling back on and off over the years but fought it off until two years ago when I read the book Rome Sweet Home by Dr. Scott Hahn and his testimony involving the same struggles I also had; and he was a serious bring 'em down anti Catholic protestant minister and professor of theology.

God has raised up quite a few powerful men of God who, as solid and faithful non Catholic believers, came to the shocking realization of the truth about the Eucharist, leading them to convert to Catholicism. I have followed their examples and I thank God for them.
 
StillCatholic said:
REVERT here. I will tell you that the reason I left was multi-faceted. But, to keep it short, I was easily persuaded, somehow, to believe that the doctrine of the Real Presence in the Eucharist was misinformed. After having many of the doctrines of the Catholic Church brought down to the level of stupidity, I was convinced that it was not only *NOT where *God wanted me, but in fact was condemned. 37 years later I felt tugged back. I had been feeling a calling back on and off over the years but fought it off until two years ago when I read the book Rome Sweet Home by Dr. Scott Hahn and his testimony involving the same struggles I also had; and he was a serious bring 'em down anti Catholic protestant minister and professor of theology.

God has raised up quite a few powerful men of God who, as solid and faithful non Catholic believers, came to the shocking realization of the truth about the Eucharist, leading them to convert to Catholicism. I have followed their examples and I thank God for them.
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Interesting…
Did you discover enlightenment (Confirmation in HS) during Protestant years, …or as Catholic ?
 
AloysiusBologna said:
After much reflection…It must be belived that God certainly wants the BEST for all of us…
If there is something better, humanly challenged as it is, than the Catholic Church please let me know…:tiphat:
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Thank you, we have been tring to let you know (that there is something else).
 
brb3 said:
Exactly !! Would the ONE God pick multiple churches, with variant doctrines, actively disputing/fighting against each other, most of which are unable to read scripture from perspective of Traditions taught the 12 by Christ ?

To believe such is nonsensical.

Our Lord is ONE, who commanded we all share things in common, be at peace, and not like the dissenters – who don’t know their left from right hand.
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It has been said protestants are unified in their disunity, and Catholics have as much disunity in their unity.
 
pocohombre said:
It has been said protestants are unified in their disunity, and Catholics have as much disunity in their unity.
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Yes …much has been said, I’ve heard much of it …but, after 6 years of study of Catholic Church — I’ve yet to uncover a fatal flaw/error in Her.
Some goats reside in Her …but, Christ said such would be so. So, don’t fault the Church …just those goats !!!
 
brb3 said:
Interesting…
Did you discover enlightenment (Confirmation in HS) during Protestant years, …or as Catholic ?
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That is what is so odd. I discovered enlightenment at age 21 (post Confirmation) during Holy Week 1974. Moved to Germany, husband in military, and stumbled on a group of non-denominational Bible study GI’s at a Coffee House. I thought it was a Catholic Bible study since we all shared the same chapel but I didn’t know that at the time. During that study, they took me through the process of “confessing myself as a sinner and accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior.” Then declaring me saved. This was all so interesting to me and I was unable to dispute any of the logic they were using at the time. I never went back to the Catholic church from then until recently, aside from a couple of visits while visiting my father, a devout Catholic.

My father died in January 2009. The last time I saw him alive on earth was when I dropped him off at Church for Mass on my way to the airport. I watched him walking into the church and never saw him again. I love that. Then one year after his death, he appeared to me. I was so dumbfounded! I asked him if it was really him and he nodded his head. I said, “…but we buried you!” and with that he lifted up his hands to me and I just ran to him, threw my arms around him and we hugged. I looked into his smiling face and said, “I love you.” and he opened up his mouth and breathed on me. The fragrance was out of this world. I said, “Oh, you smell so heavenly.” and he replied with a chuckle, “…of course.” That was 2010. During the next year I continued to ponder that encounter, while remaining in my nondenominational fellowship of 20 years.

2011, I read the book I previously mentioned and became very interested in the Catholic faith again. I decided to try a Mass. I have NOT missed a Sunday Mass since then and am presently participating in daily morning Mass and am now an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion and wondering how ever did I manage to get everything wrong for those 37 years outside the faith. My non-Catholic husband has been puzzled but supportive and even agreed to celebrate our marriage through the sacrament of Matrimony in the Catholic church. All is well with my world now.
 
The answer is yes. When Christ died, there were Jews then Christ created catholicism. Prodestants broke off one by one and started doing their own thing.
 
StillCatholic said:
I discovered enlightenment at age 21 (post Confirmation) during Holy Week 1974. Moved to Germany, husband in military, and stumbled on a group of non-denominational Bible study GI’s at a Coffee House. I thought it was a Catholic Bible study since we all shared the same chapel but I didn’t know that at the time. During that study, they took me through the process of “confessing myself as a sinner and accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior.” Then declaring me saved. This was all so interesting to me and I was unable to dispute any of the logic they were using at the time.

My father died in January 2009. Then one year after his death, he appeared to me. I was so dumbfounded! I asked him if it was really him and he nodded his head. I said, “…but we buried you!” and with that he lifted up his hands to me and I just ran to him, threw my arms around him and we hugged. I looked into his smiling face and said, “I love you.” and he opened up his mouth and breathed on me. The fragrance was out of this world. I said, “Oh, you smell so heavenly.” and he replied with a chuckle, “…of course.” That was 2010. During the next year I continued to ponder that encounter, while remaining in my nondenominational fellowship of 20 years.

2011, I read the book I previously mentioned and became very interested in the Catholic faith again. I decided to try a Mass. I have NOT missed a Sunday Mass since then and am presently participating in daily morning Mass and am now an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion and wondering how ever did I manage to get everything wrong for those 37 years outside the faith. My non-Catholic husband has been puzzled but supportive and even agreed to celebrate our marriage through the sacrament of Matrimony in the Catholic church. All is well with my world now.
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An amazing testimony.

Sounds like you had Catholic Baptism and Confirmation … but while overseas, prayed the Protestant version of Sinner’s Prayer … and sensed receipt of HS ? Then, had a recent vision of your father in heaven … communicating to you … which got u interested in returning to Catholicism… where you are once again made alive in your faith, via grace of sacraments. And, that your husband sees events as genuine … and wishes to join you in Catholicism.

It seems the Lord honors the Protestant Sinner’s prayer in a powerful way …letting it serve as one means thru which we are Confirmed in HS.

You were Catholic when you prayed Sinner’s Prayer, so it seems, ---- and then joined Protestant Church and remained for many years … but, always kind of missing the Mass, starved for the life-giving graces of the Sacraments. The vision of dad … moved you to return.
 
brb3 said:
Yes …much has been said, I’ve heard much of it …but, after 6 years of study of Catholic Church — I’ve yet to uncover a fatal flaw/error in Her.
Some goats reside in Her …but, Christ said such would be so. So, don’t fault the Church …just those goats !!!
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Those other wretched, poor, rightly maligned,bubmbling churches sure have found themselves a lot of ex-goats truned into sheep.
 
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