Does Gun Control Prevent Gun Crime?

[chriskarma]

“In 2002-03, Australia’s rate of 0.27 gun-related homicides per 100,000 population was one-fifteenth that of the US.”

I am willing to wager that rape and residential burglary and violent attacks in general are on the rise.

A lot of the homicides in the USA are cops shooting bad guys and bad guys shooting bad guys as well as average citizens shooting bad guys, you see? they all get dumped into the same “gun death” stat.

Same for all those “kids killed by guns” stats if you take away 19 year old rapist being shot by cops and other assorted dirtbags your left with far more kids under 12 being killed by swimming pools.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I have a problem with those guns being semi-automatic or automatic, which are useful only for mass killings of other people.

Do you even know what a semi-automatic firearm is?

Why would you have a problem if somebody was armed with a semi-automatic pistol but not a revolver?

Oh, if they are “useful ONLY for mass killings of other people”, then why do we allow most of our local, county, state and federal law enforcement officers to be armed with them?

 

[ehscott]

I used to live in the city of Kennesaw, GA where 15 years ago or so when gun control was all the rage the City Council, as a symbolic gesture, passed a law requiring every citizen to own a gun. The law was never enforced and was never intended to be. It got quite a lot of local attention and interestingly enough, violent crime dropped by 80% over a very short period of time and Kennesaw today is one of the safest suburbs in the Atlanta Metro Area. Criminals are not stupid and unlike Islamofascists don’t want to die, so they go where victims will be helpless and defenseless.

If you want to see if gun control prevents crime the best examples are small countries where private ownership of guns is not allowed. I used to do work in Trinidad and it is an incredibly dangerous, violent country where criminals use machetes on their victims. Wealthy people an expats working there have to hire armed guards to protect them. Gun Control = MORE Violence, MORE Crime

 

[Sir_Knight]

+1.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I used to live in the city of Kennesaw, GA where 15 years ago or so when gun control was all the rage the City Council, as a symbolic gesture, passed a law requiring every citizen to own a gun. The law was never enforced and was never intended to be. It got quite a lot of local attention and interestingly enough, violent crime dropped by 80% over a very short period of time and Kennesaw today is one of the safest suburbs in the Atlanta Metro Area. Criminals are not stupid and unlike Islamofascists don’t want to die, so they go where victims will be helpless and defenseless.

If you want to see if gun control prevents crime the best examples are small countries where private ownership of guns is not allowed. I used to do work in Trinidad and it is an incredibly dangerous, violent country where criminals use machetes on their victims. Wealthy people an expats working there have to hire armed guards to protect them. Gun Control = MORE Violence, MORE Crime

How can any thinking person believe that victim disarmament makes us safer? How can anyone think that ignoring the Constitution makes us more free?

Now and then I hear someone griping about how this law or that violates the Constitution, and I tell them, “They’re just driving through the hole you left in the Bill of Rights when you ripped out the Second Amendment.”

 

[Saint_Edward]

The Australian example is proof that gun laws reduce firearms related offences.

The example given here does not take into consideration all gun crimes. An example is that “hot burglaries” meaning when people are home, have increased significantly. This is a direct result of burglars knowing they cannot be shot.

And in Great Britain it is true not nearly as many people are murdered, but there is a much higher rate of personal attacks on individuals than in even in the US. London is one of the least safest cities in the world.

If gun control worked, why are there more gun murders per capita in both New York City and Washington DC, which have the strictest gun control laws in the nation?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

So, nearly 80% voted “No” in this poll. That’s a disgusting result. Then again, I’m Australian and guns disgust me. And I just can’t imagine seeing Jesus with a gun.

But, I suppose, the culture is different in America. And this is an American Web site and so that culture is reflected in this poll.

 

[vern_humphrey]

So, nearly 80% voted “No” in this poll. That’s a disgusting result. Then again, I’m Australian and guns disgust me.

Inanimate objects disgust you?

That makes as much sense as saying, “Washing machines disgust me,” or “Traffic lights disgust me.”

And I just can’t imagine seeing Jesus with a gun.

Can you imagine seeing Peter with a sword?

And can you imagine Jesus knowing he was carrying it? And that it was illegal under Roman law?

But, I suppose, the culture is different in America. And this is an American Web site and so that culture is reflected in this poll.

So – does our culture disgust you?

 

[Brendan]

Here is an interesting article. An Ohio lawmaker who had voted against Ohio’s concealed carry law has had a change of heart.

Why? …He almost got mugged.

DeBose twice voted against a measure to allow Ohioans to carry concealed weapons. It became law in 2004.

DeBose voted his conscience. He feared that CCW permits would lead to a massive influx of new guns in the streets and a jump in gun violence. He feared that Cleveland would become the O.K. Corral, patrolled by legions of freshly minted permit holders.

“I was wrong,” he said Friday.

"I’m going to get a permit and so is my wife.

"I’ve changed my mind. You need a way to protect yourself and your family.

Link Here

 

[hosemonkey]

Here is an interesting article. An Ohio lawmaker who had voted against Ohio’s concealed carry law has had a change of heart.

Why? …He almost got mugged.

Link Here

There ya go.Libs are like that, it is not a problem until it happens to them. Then things change. Feinstein and Boxer, our Liberal lawmakers from California, violently anti-gun, both have permits to carry. Guess they know that it is not the cop’s job to protect them.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I just can’t imagine seeing Jesus with a gun.

Being God, Jesus did not need a sword. However, let’s not forget that scripture records Christ telling His followers to protect themselves even if they had to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27 – a plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense). Here the “sword” (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler’s equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. Pretty much the equilavent of what a gun is today.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Inanimate objects disgust you?

That makes as much sense as saying, “Washing machines disgust me,” or “Traffic lights disgust me.”

Therein lies the problem; Washing Machine are NOT designed to kill people. Somehow, some people think Washing Machines and Guns are both household products.

Can you imagine seeing Peter with a sword?

Not anymore; I think Jesus has taught him better.

So – does our culture disgust you?

Not all of it. That would be a rash conclusion. But obviously, the part of your culture regarding guns is worrying to me.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Being God, Jesus did not need a sword. However, let’s not forget that scripture records Christ telling His followers to protect themselves even if they had to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27 – a plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense). Here the “sword” (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler’s equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. Pretty much the equilavent of what a gun is today.

And lets not forget that St Paul tells us that we should use the word of God as our swords (Ephesians 6:17).

 

[mgrobertson79]

Therein lies the problem; Washing Machine are NOT designed to kill people. Somehow, some people think Washing Machines and Guns are both household products.

Not anymore; I think Jesus has taught him better.

Not all of it. That would be a rash conclusion. But obviously, the part of your culture regarding guns is worrying to me.

And you propose to protect us how?

 

[Sir_Knight]

And lets not forget that St Paul tells us that we should use the word of God as our swords (Ephesians 6:17).

St. Paul may have referred to the word of God as being our sword but the Son of God was clearly telling people to arm themselves with PHYSICALLY swords because you do not need to sell your cloak to BUY the word of God.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Therein lies the problem; Washing Machine are NOT designed to kill people. Somehow, some people think Washing Machines and Guns are both household products.

Cars aren’t design to kill people either but in America they claim 19 TIMES more lives than guns do. Just because something isn’t DESIGNED to kill someone, doesn’t mean that it won’t and that it won’t in even higher numbers than firearms.

Not anymore; I think Jesus has taught him better.

Let’s be clear about this … Jesus told Peter to put away the sword because He knew He had to suffer and die for our sins. Any other interpertation is not consistent with scripture – why would Jesus, a strong supporter of the poor, command His followers to sell their outer garments to buy a sword if He did not intend for it to be used? Wouldn’t that money have been better spent by giving it to the poor than on a weapon? Unless, of course, Jesus DID intent for that weapon to be used.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

And you propose to protect us how?

With a bigger gun!!!

Do you see my point?

I’m sorry I don’t have any immediate plans on how to protect you. Maybe you could take a leaf out of the Australian book of life.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

St. Paul may have referred to the word of God as being our sword but the Son of God was clearly telling people to arm themselves with PHYSICALLY swords because you do not need to sell your cloak to BUY the word of God.

“Enough of this!” (Luke 22:38)

Guns are not part of Christian culture. I’m not going to argue anymore. You win. Bye-bye

 

[Sir_Knight]

With a bigger gun!!!

Do you see my point?

No.

Maybe you could take a leaf out of the Australian book of life.

That would go against church teaching.

 

[Sir_Knight]

“Enough of this!” (Luke 22:38)

Let’s quote the bible ACCURATELY …

• New International Version (NIV) - The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied.
• New American Standard Bible (NASB) - They said, “Lord, look, here are two (A)swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.”
• Darby Translation (DARBY) - And they said, Lord, behold here are two swords. And he said to them, It is enough.
• Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition. (DRA) - But they said: Lord, behold here are two swords. And he said to them, It is enough.
• King James Version (KJV) - And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
  … Jesus is saying that the swords which the Apostles have is sufficient.

Guns are not part of Christian culture.

Are you claiming to know more about Christian culture than the Pope, who OFFICIALLY stated …

In a world marked by evil, the right of legitimate defence by means of arms EXISTS. This right can become a serious duty for those who are responsible for the lives of others, for the common good of the family or of the civil community.

… Source: Vatican Web site.
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I’m not going to argue anymore.

Yes, arguing against the truth is a fruitless exercise.

You win.

I’m glad that you agree.

Bye-bye

Good-bye to you too.