Does Invalid marriage speed up current annulment?

[carriedeberry]

Thank you. I trust it will all work out in the end.

 

[1ke]

Sounds to me like it should be invalid due to lack of form, unless they convalidated after the annulment.

It’s difficult to keep it all straight given the different posts and tangents, but the fiancé and his second wife were not Catholics, therefore there is no “lack of form” issue here.

 

[1ke]

As for him becoming Catholic, it would never happen. This process has sealed the deal on that… If there was even an inkling in him to

It sounds to me like he is mad (and you are mad) that the Church upholds the sanctity of non-Catholic marriages.

 

[carriedeberry]

Not so much mad, but to one who doesn’t understand the traditions and
procedures of the Catholic church, this process seems controlling and
unnecessary. I’m not mad either, per se. I’ve come to expect these types
of things from the Church…its nothing new to me, however it is
frustrating. To those who relish in the tradition and teachings of the
church, this process is probably a blessing…to those of us who are a
little more “meh” its a hassle. My personal view of God is WAY bigger than
the box others have put him in down through the ages…but I digress.

 

[Gorgias]

Actually I requested a dispensation initially from the parish priest, but
he suggested the latter which I described above because the dispensation
could take time.

Hmm… this priest is a different one than the “diocesan canon lawyer” who’s studying in Rome, then?

I’m beginning to wonder though how much he really knows…
He gave me quite a bit of misinformation I’m beginning to see. He’s
newly ordained and I’m thinking he may need a brush up

I’m kinda confused. I’m thinking that you’re talking about two priests? One at the parish who’s new (and who might’ve made assumptions about your situation before all the details came to light?) and another in Rome who’s actually handling the case?

That’s the worst of both worlds, as it were. The guy who could explain it to you well, isn’t in a position to sit down and talk with you… and the guy who might be dealing with this for the first time is the one who’s walking through it with you! (But, as you’ve found out, it’s not a simple cut-and-dried answer, and many facts that one might not think are relevant really do have impact on the answer.)

In the end, what it all comes down to is that the Church is attempting to honor all marriages, whether they’re between Catholics or non-Catholics or unbaptized people (or some combination of them). It would be very unfair of the Church to tell non-Catholics who’ve married each other “you didn’t follow our rules, so you’re not validly married!” – but it would be just as unfair to treat their marriages as if they didn’t matter just as much as marriages between Catholics.

So, it’s not that the Church is trying to hold the non-Catholics in your (and your fiance’s) life to Catholic standards – it’s that the Church is trying to be consistent in its application of what it understands to be the standards that Christ created for all Christians (namely, that marriage is permanent, “till death do us part”).

Actually I requested a dispensation initially from the parish priest, but he suggested the latter which I described above because the dispensation could take time.

Well, it’s not really that the dispensation itself takes time… it’s that a dispensation can’t be granted until you both are free to marry, and right now, your fiance isn’t. Presuming the nullity comes through, the dispensation typically doesn’t hold up the process.

I’ll be praying for you guys, and hoping your situation resolves itself promptly!

 

[carriedeberry]

Yes, two priests - neither of which are truly my parish priest. Our parish
priest just returned to India, the priest that doesn’t know much (LOL) is
standing in for the next 5 weeks until another temporary priest is placed.
The priest that is in Rome is our diocese Judicial Vicar, whom I have a
good rapport with so I contacted him. I think he is just helping me out
because our parish is in such a transitional stage. So yeah, email isn’t
the greatest when dealing with all this…but I’m kind of in limbo & being
passed around. He returns from Rome in February, so I may just have to
wait until then…unless someone at the Tribunal can assist…but they’ve
been pretty lax on the whole returning phone messages.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Not so much mad, but to one who doesn’t understand the traditions and
procedures of the Catholic church, this process seems controlling and
unnecessary. I’m not mad either, per se. I’ve come to expect these types
of things from the Church…its nothing new to me, however it is
frustrating. To those who relish in the tradition and teachings of the
church, this process is probably a blessing…to those of us who are a
little more “meh” its a hassle. My personal view of God is WAY bigger than
the box others have put him in down through the ages…but I digress.

I just went through my annulment process and it took 23 months. I am a convert of
9 years. The process has been reformed in a couple of ways, but I feel needs to be
reformed further. So I can understand your frustration. I am happy my process is over.